From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
"Corentin Labbe" <clabbe.montjoie@gmail.com>,
"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
"Jerry Snitselaar" <jsnitsel@redhat.com>,
"Kenneth Goldman" <kgold@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
"Nayna Jain" <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@samba.org>,
"Peter Hüwe" <PeterHuewe@gmx.de>,
"Stefan Berger" <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:09:48 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1508342988.3958.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171018151010.r4ojcpzs5l7rpt6r@linux.intel.com>
On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 18:10 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 08:57:13AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2017-10-17 at 11:25 +0200, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fixes is only for bug fixes. These don't fix any bugs.
> > >
> > > How do you distinguish these in questionable source code
> > > from other error categories or software weaknesses?
> >
> > A style change is one that doesn't change the effect of the
> > execution.
> > These don't actually even change the assembly, so there's
> > programmatic
> > proof they're not fixing anything.
> >
> > Bug means potentially user visible fault. In any bug fix commit
> > you
> > should document the fault and its effects on users so those
> > backporting
> > can decide if they care or not.
> >
> > James
>
> OK, I'll adjust my definition of a bug :-)
Subsystems are free to define bugs in any reasonable way. However,
there are two things to note here:
1. The style guide is just that, a guide; it's not hard and fast rules.
That means that violations aren't bugs in the usual sense.
However, new code should mostly follow it and if it doesn't, there
should be a good reason to go against the guide which should be
explained in the change log.
2. The coding style evolves, so older drivers usually don't conform.
Classifying coding style issues as bugs leads to tons of patches
"fixing" older drivers, some of which actually end up breaking the
drivers in subtle ways which take ages to be found (at least that's
what we've seen in SCSI).
James
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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
"Corentin Labbe" <clabbe.montjoie@gmail.com>,
"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
"Jerry Snitselaar" <jsnitsel@redhat.com>,
"Kenneth Goldman" <kgold@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
"Nayna Jain" <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@samba.org>,
"Peter Hüwe" <PeterHuewe@gmx.de>,
"Stefan Berger" <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 09:09:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1508342988.3958.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171018151010.r4ojcpzs5l7rpt6r@linux.intel.com>
On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 18:10 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 08:57:13AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2017-10-17 at 11:25 +0200, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fixes is only for bug fixes. These don't fix any bugs.
> > >
> > > How do you distinguish these in questionable source code
> > > from other error categories or software weaknesses?
> >
> > A style change is one that doesn't change the effect of the
> > execution.
> > These don't actually even change the assembly, so there's
> > programmatic
> > proof they're not fixing anything.
> >
> > Bug means potentially user visible fault. In any bug fix commit
> > you
> > should document the fault and its effects on users so those
> > backporting
> > can decide if they care or not.
> >
> > James
>
> OK, I'll adjust my definition of a bug :-)
Subsystems are free to define bugs in any reasonable way. However,
there are two things to note here:
1. The style guide is just that, a guide; it's not hard and fast rules.
That means that violations aren't bugs in the usual sense.
However, new code should mostly follow it and if it doesn't, there
should be a good reason to go against the guide which should be
explained in the change log.
2. The coding style evolves, so older drivers usually don't conform.
Classifying coding style issues as bugs leads to tons of patches
"fixing" older drivers, some of which actually end up breaking the
drivers in subtle ways which take ages to be found (at least that's
what we've seen in SCSI).
James
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
"Corentin Labbe" <clabbe.montjoie@gmail.com>,
"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
"Jerry Snitselaar" <jsnitsel@redhat.com>,
"Kenneth Goldman" <kgold@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
"Nayna Jain" <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@samba.org>,
"Peter Hüwe" <PeterHuewe@gmx.de>,
"Stefan Berger" <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 09:09:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1508342988.3958.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171018151010.r4ojcpzs5l7rpt6r@linux.intel.com>
On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 18:10 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 08:57:13AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2017-10-17 at 11:25 +0200, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fixes is only for bug fixes. These don't fix any bugs.
> > >
> > > How do you distinguish these in questionable source code
> > > from other error categories or software weaknesses?
> >
> > A style change is one that doesn't change the effect of the
> > execution.
> > These don't actually even change the assembly, so there's
> > programmatic
> > proof they're not fixing anything.
> >
> > Bug means potentially user visible fault. In any bug fix commit
> > you
> > should document the fault and its effects on users so those
> > backporting
> > can decide if they care or not.
> >
> > James
>
> OK, I'll adjust my definition of a bug :-)
Subsystems are free to define bugs in any reasonable way. However,
there are two things to note here:
1. The style guide is just that, a guide; it's not hard and fast rules.
That means that violations aren't bugs in the usual sense.
However, new code should mostly follow it and if it doesn't, there
should be a good reason to go against the guide which should be
explained in the change log.
2. The coding style evolves, so older drivers usually don't conform.
Classifying coding style issues as bugs leads to tons of patches
"fixing" older drivers, some of which actually end up breaking the
drivers in subtle ways which take ages to be found (at least that's
what we've seen in SCSI).
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-10-18 16:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 217+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-10-16 17:30 [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:30 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in tpm_ascii_bios_measu SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in tpm_ascii_bios_measurements_show() SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:32 ` [PATCH 2/4] char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in tpm_ibmvtpm_probe() SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:32 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:33 ` [PATCH 3/4] char/tpm: Improve a size determination in nine functions SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:33 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 11:03 ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 11:03 ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 11:50 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 11:50 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 11:50 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 12:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 12:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 12:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 12:58 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 12:58 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 12:58 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 15:17 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 15:17 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 15:17 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 15:29 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 15:29 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 15:29 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 9:16 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 9:16 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 9:16 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 9:16 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 18:41 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 18:41 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 18:41 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 19:28 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 19:28 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 19:28 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 20:04 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 20:04 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 20:04 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 19:36 ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 19:36 ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 20:24 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 20:24 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 14:57 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:57 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:57 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:22 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:22 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:22 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:59 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:59 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:59 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 16:43 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 16:43 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 16:43 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:18 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:18 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:18 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:54 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:54 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:48 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:48 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:48 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:54 ` Jerry Snitselaar
2017-10-18 17:54 ` Jerry Snitselaar
2017-10-18 17:54 ` Jerry Snitselaar
2017-10-18 18:11 ` char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory =?UTF-8?B?IGFsbG9jYXRpb24gaW4g SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 18:11 ` char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in tpm_…() SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 18:11 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 18:03 ` char/tpm: Improve a size determination in nine functions Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-18 18:03 ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-19 12:04 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 12:04 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 12:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-19 12:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-19 12:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-17 13:02 ` [PATCH 3/4] " Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 13:02 ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-18 14:52 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:52 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-17 15:22 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 15:22 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 15:22 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 15:22 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 14:48 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:48 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-19 16:58 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-19 16:58 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-19 16:58 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-20 9:01 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-20 9:01 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-20 10:23 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-20 10:23 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-20 12:03 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-20 12:03 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-20 12:03 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-23 13:20 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-23 13:20 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-18 14:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 17:34 ` [PATCH 4/4] char/tpm: Less checks in tpm_ibmvtpm_probe() after error detection SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:34 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 11:56 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 11:56 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 12:36 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 12:36 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 12:46 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 12:46 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:26 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 14:26 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 13:36 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 13:36 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 13:36 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 14:16 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:16 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:16 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:16 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:59 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 14:59 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 14:59 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 20:44 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 20:44 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 20:44 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 18:31 ` [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 18:31 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 18:35 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 18:35 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 20:44 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 20:44 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:04 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:04 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:43 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:43 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:43 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 22:46 ` [PATCH 0/4] " Joe Perches
2017-10-16 22:46 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-17 7:20 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 7:20 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 8:51 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-17 8:51 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-17 8:56 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 8:56 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 9:44 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-17 9:44 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-17 10:11 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 10:11 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 11:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 11:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 11:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-18 3:18 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-18 3:18 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-19 13:16 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-19 13:16 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-19 16:08 ` Circumstances for using the tag “Fixes” (or not) SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 16:08 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 12:26 ` [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations Michael Ellerman
2017-10-17 12:26 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-18 15:07 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:07 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-17 9:25 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 9:25 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 15:57 ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 15:57 ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 16:32 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 16:32 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 16:32 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 22:43 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-17 22:43 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-17 22:43 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 9:00 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 9:00 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 9:18 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 9:18 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 9:50 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 9:50 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 9:50 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 10:00 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 10:00 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 10:28 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 10:28 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 11:00 ` Adjusting further size determinations? SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 11:00 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 11:49 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 11:49 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 12:07 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 12:07 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 12:58 ` David Laight
2017-10-18 12:58 ` David Laight
2017-10-18 12:58 ` David Laight
2017-10-18 13:32 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 13:32 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 13:50 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 13:50 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 13:50 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 10:44 ` char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 10:44 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 10:44 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 10:49 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 10:49 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 11:07 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 11:07 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 11:07 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 9:55 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 9:55 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 18:27 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-18 18:27 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-18 15:10 ` [PATCH 0/4] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:10 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:10 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 16:09 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2017-10-18 16:09 ` James Bottomley
2017-10-18 16:09 ` James Bottomley
2017-10-18 17:13 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:13 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:13 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
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