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From: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
To: "Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
	"Richard Guy Briggs" <rgb@redhat.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	"Linux Containers" <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
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	"Linux Audit" <linux-audit@redhat.com>,
	"Linux FS Devel" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	"Linux Network Development" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: mszeredi@redhat.com, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Simo Sorce <simo@redhat.com>,
	jlayton@redhat.com, Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
	trondmy@primarydata.com, Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RFC(v2): Audit Kernel Container IDs
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:30:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1513009857.6310.337.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8ea78be-9bbf-2967-7b12-ac93bb85b0bc@schaufler-ca.com>

On Sat, 2017-12-09 at 10:28 -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote:
> On 12/9/2017 2:20 AM, Micka�l Sala�n wrote:

> >  What about automatically create
> > and assign an ID to a process when it enters a namespace different
> > than
> > one of its parent process? This delegates the (permission)
> > responsibility to the use of namespaces (e.g. /proc/sys/user/max_*
> > limit).
> 
> That gets ugly when you have a container that uses user, filesystem,
> network and whatever else namespaces. If all containers used the same
> set of namespaces I think this would be a fine idea, but they don't.
> 
> > One interesting side effect of this approach would be to be able to
> > identify which processes are in the same set of namespaces, even if
> > not
> > spawn from the container but entered after its creation (i.e. using
> > setns), by creating container IDs as a (deterministic) checksum
> > from the
> > /proc/self/ns/* IDs.
> > 
> > Since the concern is to identify a container, I think the ability
> > to
> > audit the switch from one container ID to another is enough. I
> > don't
> > think we need nested IDs.
> 
> Because a container doesn't have to use namespaces to be a container
> you still need a mechanism for a process to declare that it is in
> fact
> in a container, and to identify the container.

I like the idea but I'm still tossing it around in my head (and
thinking about Casey's statement too). Lets say we have a 'docker-like' 
container with pid=100  netns=X,userns=Y,mountns=Z. If I'm on the host
in all init namespaces and I run
  nsenter -t 100 -n ip link set eth0 promisc on
How should this be logged? Did this command run in it's own 'container'
unrelated to the 'docker-like' container?

-Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-11 16:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-12 14:14 RFC(v2): Audit Kernel Container IDs Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-12 14:14 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-12 15:45 ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-19 19:57   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-19 19:57     ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]     ` <20171019195747.4ssujtaj3f5ipsoh-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 23:11       ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-10-19 23:11       ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-10-19 23:11         ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-10-19 23:15         ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]         ` <8f495870-dd6c-23b9-b82b-4228a441c729-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 23:15           ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-10-20  2:25           ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-20  2:25             ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-20  2:25           ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-19 19:57   ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found] ` <20171012141359.saqdtnodwmbz33b2-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 15:45   ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-12 16:33   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-12 16:33     ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-17  0:33     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-17  1:10       ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]         ` <81c15928-c445-fb8e-251c-bee566fbbf58-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19  0:05           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-19  0:05             ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]             ` <20171019000527.eio6dfsmujmtioyt-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 13:32               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-19 13:32                 ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-19 15:51                 ` Paul Moore
     [not found]                 ` <18cb69a5-f998-0e6e-85df-7f4b9b768a6f-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 15:51                   ` Paul Moore
2017-10-19 13:32               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-19  0:05           ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]       ` <20171017003340.whjdkqmkw4lydwy7-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17  1:10         ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-17  1:42         ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-17  1:42           ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-17 12:31           ` Simo Sorce
2017-10-17 14:59             ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]               ` <a07968f6-fef1-f49d-01f1-6c660c0ada20-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17 15:28                 ` Simo Sorce
2017-10-17 15:28                   ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                   ` <1508254120.6230.34.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17 15:44                     ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 15:44                       ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 16:43                       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-17 17:15                         ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-17 17:57                           ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 17:57                             ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                             ` <1508263063.3129.35.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-18  0:23                               ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-18  0:23                                 ` Steve Grubb
     [not found]                         ` <eb96144d-4ab5-7f9f-de18-b296db35a00a-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17 17:15                           ` Steve Grubb
     [not found]                       ` <1508255091.3129.27.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17 16:43                         ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-18 20:56                         ` Paul Moore
2017-10-18 20:56                           ` Paul Moore
     [not found]                           ` <CAHC9VhRV9m6-APj3ofMQc22rL-WUoDzB8-urUxryszjCHHHLTg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-18 23:46                             ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-10-18 23:46                               ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                               ` <49752b6f-8a77-d1e5-8acb-5a1eed0a992c-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19  0:43                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-19  0:43                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-19  0:43                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <871sm0j7bm.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 15:36                                     ` Paul Moore
2017-10-19 15:36                                     ` Paul Moore
2017-10-19 15:36                                       ` Paul Moore
     [not found]                                       ` <CAHC9VhTYF-MJm3ejWXE1H-eeXKaNBkeWKwdiKdj093xATYn7nQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 16:25                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-19 16:25                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-19 16:25                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                           ` <87y3o7gl5l.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 17:47                                             ` Paul Moore
2017-10-19 17:47                                           ` Paul Moore
2017-10-17 15:44                     ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 16:10                     ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-17 16:10                   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-18 19:58             ` Paul Moore
     [not found]             ` <1508243469.6230.24.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17 14:59               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-18 19:58               ` Paul Moore
2017-10-17 12:31           ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]     ` <75b7d6a6-42ba-2dff-1836-1091c7c024e7-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17  0:33       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-12-09 10:20       ` Mickaël Salaün
2017-12-09 10:20       ` Mickaël Salaün
2017-12-09 10:20         ` Mickaël Salaün
     [not found]         ` <7ebca85a-425c-2b95-9a5f-59d81707339e-WFhQfpSGs3bR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-09 18:28           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-12-09 18:28             ` Casey Schaufler
2017-12-09 18:28             ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]             ` <f8ea78be-9bbf-2967-7b12-ac93bb85b0bc-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-11 16:30               ` Eric Paris
2017-12-11 16:30             ` Eric Paris [this message]
2017-12-11 16:52               ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]               ` <1513009857.6310.337.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-11 16:52                 ` Casey Schaufler
2017-12-11 19:37                 ` Steve Grubb
2017-12-11 19:37                 ` Steve Grubb
2017-12-11 19:37                   ` Steve Grubb
2017-12-09 18:28           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-12-11 15:10           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-12-11 15:10             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-12-11 15:10             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-12-11 15:10           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-12 16:33   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-12 17:59   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-12 17:59     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-13 13:43   ` Alan Cox
2017-10-13 13:43   ` Alan Cox
2017-10-13 13:43     ` Alan Cox
2017-10-13 13:43     ` Alan Cox
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2017-10-12 14:14 Richard Guy Briggs

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