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From: zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com (Mimi Zohar)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [GIT PULL] Integrity: IMA FUSE fixes
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:11:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1518462687.5491.310.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxoLQ=FW7BkpyTHTQ6HJMW3a7fW-Ew0zrprRqwk-xwLTg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 2018-02-10 at 20:50 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 8:41 PM, Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What am I missing?
> >
> > No, you're right.  The file could change at any time, making the
> > measurement(s) and by extension signature verification meaningless.
> > Custom policy rules could be defined to disable measurement,
> > appraisal, and audit for files on fuse.  However, I don't think we
> > want to automatically disable measurement, even meaningless
> > measurements.  Some indication needs to be included for remote
> > attestation, security analytics, or forensics.  For systems with
> > policies that require file signatures even on fuse, the safest thing
> > would seem to be to fail the signature verification.
> 
> Failing seems like a sane model, although I also suspect it would just
> break a lot of cases that currently work fine because *in*practice*
> fuse works fine as a normal filesystem (think fuse "exfat" module
> etc).
> 
> So yes, the failing behavior is sane, but I agree with you that it
> should be something that requires a specific policy ("fail on
> untrusted filesystems like fuse").

Could we differentiate between untrusted from unprivileged and
untrusted fuse? ?The existing fuse would continue to work, but on
systems with IMA-appraisal enabled the new, unprivileged fuse would
fail.

> But regardless, disabling caching just seems broken in all situations
> and never right, so I really don't want to pull that tree unless
> somebody can point out where it makes sense.

Agreed. ?Re-measuring/appraising the file would only detect well
behaved malicious fuse.

Mimi

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-12 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-10  6:26 [GIT PULL] Integrity: IMA FUSE fixes James Morris
2018-02-10 20:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-11  4:41   ` Mimi Zohar
2018-02-11  4:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-12 19:11       ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2018-02-11 13:19     ` James Morris
2018-02-11 14:07       ` Mimi Zohar

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