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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	linux-integrity <linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>,
	nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: linux-next: UEFI Secure boot lockdown patchset
Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 19:43:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1525218220.5669.164.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACdnJuu11tPS+hpsri4tkgrWn-EEgLWgXT-Bb1m=s4Dx3478JQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 22:32 +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 3:21 PM Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 21:59 +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > > Oh, is kexec verified off the _module keyring? We still end up with the
> > > problem that distributions don't have a mechanism to ship IMA signatures
> > > yet, but that avoids the user modification problem. I've just posted a
> > > patchset to debian-dpkg, we'll see how that goes.
> 
> > I'm not aware of a _module keyring.  With IMA-appraisal, the signature
> > verification of the kernel image (kexec_file_load) uses the trusted
> > IMA keyring.  Nayna Jain posted a patch that defines a new platform
> > keyring[1], which would only be used to validate the kernel image and
> > initramfs signatures.
> 
> INTEGRITY_KEYRING_MODULE is defined, but doesn't appear to be used
> anywhere. Odd. Anyway, distributions are unlikely to ship with
> CONFIG_INTEGRITY_TRUSTED_KEYRING since it makes it impossible for users to
> determine which set of IMA or EVM signatures they want to trust. So if
> validation is against the IMA keyring rather than builtin_trusted_keys,
> it's going to be possible for users to extend the set of trusted keys. If
> CONFIG_KEXEC_BZIMAGE_VERIFY_SIG is set then the kernel seems to do the
> right thing here, but it's not clear to me how that's supposed to interact
> with IMA?

>From your description, whatever keys the distros are loading onto the
builtin_trusted_keys keyring for verifying the kexec kernel image,
could just as easily be added to the IMA trusted keyring
(CONFIG_INTEGRITY_TRUSTED_KEYRING).  I don't see the difference.

Loading other keys requires reserving memory for a local CA public
key.

Mimi

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-01 23:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-01 11:06 linux-next: UEFI Secure boot lockdown patchset David Howells
2018-03-01 11:06 ` David Howells
2018-03-01 11:08 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-03-01 11:08   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-03-01 11:24 ` David Howells
2018-03-01 11:24   ` David Howells
2018-03-01 12:15 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-01 17:28 ` Matthew Garrett
2018-05-01 19:00   ` David Howells
2018-05-01 20:15     ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-01 21:02       ` Matthew Garrett
2018-05-01 21:50         ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-01 21:59           ` Matthew Garrett
2018-05-01 22:21             ` Mimi Zohar
2018-05-01 22:32               ` Matthew Garrett
2018-05-01 23:43                 ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2018-05-01 23:46                   ` Matthew Garrett
2018-05-02  1:00                     ` Mimi Zohar

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