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From: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
To: Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>
Cc: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: Changing unlabeled_t on files to invalid_label_t.
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:45:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1586626.0cAE0OtpOI@sifl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52CF1A53.9080501@redhat.com>

On Thursday, January 09, 2014 04:53:23 PM Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> We would like to change
> 
> sid file_labels         gen_context(system_u:object_r:unlabeled_t,s0)
> 
> to something like
> 
> sid file_labels         gen_context(system_u:object_r:invalid_label_t,s0)

Hmmm, this is odd ... I'm quickly grep'ing the kernel source and while I can 
find the file initial sid, I can't seem to find the file_labels initial sid 
used anywhere ...

Are you talking about the file initial sid?

> Since explaining to someone that a file without a label is file_t, but if it
> has a label that the kernel does not understand it is labeled as
> unlabeled_t. A file with a label is unlabeled_t????  While a file without a
> label is file_t.

That is annoying.  I personally think that unlabeled_t is the right choice for 
objects (files, packets, etc.) without any label information.  If there is 
some label present, even if it is invalid (e.g. MLS label on a non-MLS sytem), 
then it should have a different label, invalid_t?

> #
> # unlabeled_t is the type of unlabeled objects.
> # Objects that have no known labeling information or that
> # have labels that are no longer valid are treated as having this type.
> #
> 
> #
> # file_t is the default type of a file that has not yet been
> # assigned an extended attribute (EA) value (when using a filesystem
> # that supports EAs).
> #
> 
> These two type definitions seem to conflict, with file_t winning at least on
> systems that support XAttrs.

If I had to guess I think this might be due to some differences in the file 
initial sid and some default handling with the genfs code.  Eric or Stephen 
can probably explain this better than I can right now.

> I would guess a better fix would be to change the kernel to handle the case
> where an object is unlabeled_t one way and if it is labeled and the kernel
> does not understand the label differently.
> 
> sid invalid_file_labels gen_context(system_u:object_r:invalid_label_t,s0)
> 
> Opinions....

Makes sense to me.  Just two suggestions ... First, I think the MLS field 
should probably be "mls_systemhigh" and not "s0"; while it is different from 
unlabeled_t, I think we want to treat it the same from a MLS perspective.  
Second, make the invalid label a bit more general and not tied just to files, 
e.g. invalid_t, so we could use it for other objects if needed.

sid invalid_label gen_context(system_u:object_r:invalid_t,mls_systemhigh)

-- 
paul moore
www.paul-moore.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-09 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-09 21:53 Changing unlabeled_t on files to invalid_label_t Daniel J Walsh
2014-01-09 22:21 ` Dominick Grift
2014-01-09 22:49   ` Dominick Grift
2014-01-10  0:26     ` Paul Moore
2014-01-09 22:54   ` Paul Moore
2014-01-09 23:07     ` Eric Paris
2014-01-09 23:22       ` Dominick Grift
2014-01-10  0:23         ` Paul Moore
2014-01-10 11:52           ` Dominick Grift
2014-01-10 14:42             ` Paul Moore
2014-01-10 14:42       ` Stephen Smalley
2014-01-10 14:49         ` Paul Moore
2014-01-10 14:56           ` Stephen Smalley
2014-01-10 16:13             ` Stephen Smalley
2014-01-10 16:23               ` Paul Moore
2014-01-12  1:37           ` Russell Coker
2014-01-09 22:23 ` Ted Toth
2014-01-09 22:45 ` Paul Moore [this message]
2014-01-10 16:06 ` Stephen Smalley
2014-01-10 16:13   ` Daniel J Walsh
2014-01-10 16:14     ` Stephen Smalley
2014-01-13 20:07   ` Christopher J. PeBenito

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