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From: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: bjorn@mork.no, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/5] fix races in CDC-WDM
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 11:14:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1600161279.2424.5.camel@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4f285044-aae9-c3be-23ba-90790cd624f1@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>

Am Donnerstag, den 10.09.2020, 19:01 +0900 schrieb Tetsuo Handa:
> On 2020/09/10 18:09, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> > > Does it make sense to wait for response of someone else's usb_submit_urb() when
> > > someone is calling close(), for there is no guarantee that failure notice received
> > > via wdm_flush() via some file descriptor corresponds to usb_submit_urb() request from
> > > wdm_write() call from that file descriptor?
> > 
> > Well, user space may do multithreading. Whether it makes sense is
> > another question. We just need to return results confirming to the
> > standards. You noticed bugs. I think the next version will fix them.
> 
> My question is how do you handle if App1 and App2 (not multithreading but
> multiprocessing) shares the "desc" ? Unless

Well, device locking is a function of user space. This is Unix. If you
have two uncoordinated writers to a device, you cannot expect sensible
results. You can expect that the driver does not hang, of course.

> > > In patch "[RFC 3/5] CDC-WDM: making flush() interruptible", it is legal to return -EINTR
> > >  from close(). But I think that returning -EINTR from close() is not recommended because
> > > it can confuse multithreaded application (retrying close() upon -EINTR is not safe).
> > 
> > Well, but what is the alternative? Should we ignore signals?
> > 
> 
> we return the error from write() request (i.e. give up trying to report errors from
> close() event), we can't pass results to the intended recipients.

That means

* harming the single threaded for the sake of the few multithreaded
* it would not work for O_NONBLOCK
* if you use a device from multiple threads or tasks, locking is your
problem

Is there something we can do in flush()?

	Regards
		Oliver


  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-15  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-12 13:20 [RFC 0/5] fix races in CDC-WDM Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 1/5] CDC-WDM: fix hangs in flush() Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 2/5] CDC-WDM: introduce a timeout " Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 3/5] CDC-WDM: making flush() interruptible Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 4/5] CDC-WDM: fix race reporting errors in flush Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 13:20 ` [RFC 5/5] CDC-WDM: remove use of intf->dev after potential disconnect Oliver Neukum
2020-08-12 14:29 ` [RFC 0/5] fix races in CDC-WDM Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-10  9:09   ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-10 10:01     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-15  9:14       ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2020-09-15 10:30         ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-16 10:18           ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-16 11:14             ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-17  9:50               ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-17 11:24                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-17 14:17                   ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-17 16:17                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-21 10:52                       ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-22  1:56                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-22  7:33                           ` Oliver Neukum
2020-09-22  8:34                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-22  9:45                               ` Oliver Neukum

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