From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263590AbTD1OIW (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:08:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263600AbTD1OIW (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:08:22 -0400 Received: from auemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.223.161]:2205 "EHLO auemail1.firewall.lucent.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263590AbTD1OIV (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:08:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16045.14483.71226.249705@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:20:03 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" To: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk Cc: Linus Torvalds , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Flame Linus to a crisp! In-Reply-To: <20030426184106.GN10374@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> References: <20030424201522.G1425@almesberger.net> <20030426184106.GN10374@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 7.14 under Emacs 20.6.1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org viro> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 06:22:50PM +0000, Linus Torvalds wrote: >> We've seen this before. Remember when dongles were plentiful in the >> software world? People literally had problems with having dongles on top >> of dongles to run a few programs. They all died out, simply because >> consumers _hate_ that kind of lock-in thing. viro> Not all of them. And they had spawned similar software turds - viro> ask any sysadmin who'd dealt with FlexLM and its ilk and you'll viro> hear a _lot_ of horror stories about the induced inconveniencies viro> and breakage. FlexLM is actually a good product in general, it's when it's tied in by a vendor to a Dongle that is sucks. The real horror show in license managers is the GLBD (Global Location Broker) crap from HP/IBM. Thank god FlexLM has mostly killed them off. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel@lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-399-0479