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<'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 13:58:18 -0400 Message-ID: <18272.1684864698@localhost> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bpf] IETF BPF working group draft charter X-BeenThere: bpf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of BPF/eBPF standardization efforts within the IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2074491533481227445==" Errors-To: bpf-bounces@ietf.org Sender: "Bpf" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net --===============2074491533481227445== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Vernet wrote: > As far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong), there isn't really= a > precedence for standardizing ABIs like this. For example, x86 calling All of the eBPF work seems unprecedented. I don't see having this in the charter is a problem. We may fail to get consensus on it, and not make a milestone, but I don't s= ee a reason not to be allowed to talk about this. 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For example, x86 calling All of the eBPF work seems unprecedented. I don't see having this in the charter is a problem. We may fail to get consensus on it, and not make a milestone, but I don't s= ee a reason not to be allowed to talk about this. (and maybe in the end, it's a no-op) =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFKBAEBCgA0FiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmRs/roWHG1jcitpZXRm QHNhbmRlbG1hbi5jYQAKCRCAi3D73dDdZVonB/9DgkeUGk+Mib+b63sq+ojq2ESJ zhu8ir5FsLPkjL2FIOPHGee79h8B5BsYIVGaSUCmZCu6TQjpg2HqhI+tDVkqFLO7 5aO4z4xrT4XXaFgm4EM666PoBIZJyNYLDdLE20BknQIDC5iWAId6phUzaAzfnn80 SllYkrFm54vocBW8mqPBD79VoBJIjeu2PLCL+5H+w0720/cQRJPOshcisp+/v2zv Z3mTHx/6VHEnv2rQhk6lz8qsojG5Uv2dMkQ+MVb2UOAJ/wK3clheNZOfkgRxV+kn WOdYQ7z8LcXGZTf4oP2Q6ZSEr9RINPNQFcoPKhoxccx/K6rSJJXcEQxdbIyF =drce -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--