From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA72467 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:54:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA26126 for linux-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:44 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA86947 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:43 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA00532 for linux@engr.sgi.com; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812131053.CAA00532@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you be doing in reponse. Note that: The facts this email presents are inaccurate: 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com just a free source distribution. 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate any claim to its derivatives by another party. 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 in a casual way in one title. 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. Forwarded message: :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca :From: Maurice Hilarius :Subject: Hard Hat Linux :Cc: ariel@sgi.com :Mime-Version: 1.0 :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" : :Good day Gentlemen. : :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ : :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, :Alberta, Canada. : :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express :permission. : :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). : :Seasons Greetings. : :Best regards, : : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com : : -- Peace, Ariel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-ID: <199812131053.CAA00532@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:53:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: SGI/Linux mailing list Message-ID: <19981213105342.F9lxzRJRtoDHpeBOLneWlxdQwuXn9fQi0YM6pptOmgs@z> Hi, I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you be doing in reponse. Note that: The facts this email presents are inaccurate: 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com just a free source distribution. 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate any claim to its derivatives by another party. 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 in a casual way in one title. 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. Forwarded message: :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca :From: Maurice Hilarius :Subject: Hard Hat Linux :Cc: ariel@sgi.com :Mime-Version: 1.0 :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" : :Good day Gentlemen. : :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ : :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, :Alberta, Canada. : :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express :permission. : :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). : :Seasons Greetings. : :Best regards, : : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com : : -- Peace, Ariel