From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA81712 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:30:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA64188 for linux-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:30:12 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from hollywood.engr.sgi.com (hollywood.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.38]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA82925 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@hollywood.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from fisher@localhost) by hollywood.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA04930; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:29:50 -0800 From: fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) Message-Id: <199812140329.TAA04930@hollywood.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) To: jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com (Joseph Michaud) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:29:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@hollywood.engr.sgi.com, fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) In-Reply-To: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> from "Joseph Michaud" at Dec 13, 98 07:58:29 pm Reply-To: fisher@sgi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk > > > Hmm. I don't find any such trademarks on a search at the > US Patent Office (http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html). > > Ask him what the trademark registration number is, and > where it is registered... > > Joe > Did you try Thomson and Thomson? The US Government trademarks don't cover Canada. Thompson and Thompson is very expensive but have a near monopoly on the worldwide trade-mark business. The have a web site under the thomson-thomson and a new service under the saegious(sp) name BUT they charge $2.50 per hit on any search AFTER you setup and account. -- Bill > On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this > > email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you > > be doing in reponse. > > > > Note that: > > The facts this email presents are inaccurate: > > > > 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com > > just a free source distribution. > > 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is > > a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate > > any claim to its derivatives by another party. > > 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say > > it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 > > in a casual way in one title. > > 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". > > > > I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual > > use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any > > product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. > > > > > > Forwarded message: > > :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 > > :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> > > :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 > > :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > > :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 > > :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca > > :From: Maurice Hilarius > > :Subject: Hard Hat Linux > > :Cc: ariel@sgi.com > > :Mime-Version: 1.0 > > :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > : > > :Good day Gentlemen. > > : > > :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: > > :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ > > : > > :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are > > :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, > > :Alberta, Canada. > > : > > :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not > > :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". > > :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, > > :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express > > :permission. > > : > > :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data > > :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). > > : > > :Seasons Greetings. > > : > > :Best regards, > > : > > : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 > > : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 > > : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com > > : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com > > : > > : > > > > > > -- > > Peace, Ariel > > > >-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting > jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800 > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: From: fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) Message-ID: <199812140329.TAA04930@hollywood.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:29:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> from "Joseph Michaud" at Dec 13, 98 07:58:29 pm Reply-To: fisher@sgi.com Content-Type: text Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: Joseph Michaud Cc: linux@hollywood.engr.sgi.com, William Fisher Message-ID: <19981214032946.cDKEY9SZo_x2jaCuD4PeN1IHHrc5BaKMYjBU9oOb5IA@z> > > > Hmm. I don't find any such trademarks on a search at the > US Patent Office (http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html). > > Ask him what the trademark registration number is, and > where it is registered... > > Joe > Did you try Thomson and Thomson? The US Government trademarks don't cover Canada. Thompson and Thompson is very expensive but have a near monopoly on the worldwide trade-mark business. The have a web site under the thomson-thomson and a new service under the saegious(sp) name BUT they charge $2.50 per hit on any search AFTER you setup and account. -- Bill > On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this > > email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you > > be doing in reponse. > > > > Note that: > > The facts this email presents are inaccurate: > > > > 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com > > just a free source distribution. > > 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is > > a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate > > any claim to its derivatives by another party. > > 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say > > it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 > > in a casual way in one title. > > 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". > > > > I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual > > use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any > > product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. > > > > > > Forwarded message: > > :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 > > :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> > > :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 > > :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > > :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 > > :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca > > :From: Maurice Hilarius > > :Subject: Hard Hat Linux > > :Cc: ariel@sgi.com > > :Mime-Version: 1.0 > > :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > : > > :Good day Gentlemen. > > : > > :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: > > :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ > > : > > :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are > > :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, > > :Alberta, Canada. > > : > > :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not > > :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". > > :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, > > :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express > > :permission. > > : > > :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data > > :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). > > : > > :Seasons Greetings. > > : > > :Best regards, > > : > > : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 > > : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 > > : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com > > : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com > > : > > : > > > > > > -- > > Peace, Ariel > > > >-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting > jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800 >