From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA38958 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:27:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA53638 for linux-list; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:33 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA30066 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:31 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA14660; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:19 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199812162325.PAA14660@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) To: jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com (Joseph Michaud) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> from "Joseph Michaud" at Dec 13, 98 07:58:29 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk [FYI, regarding that request to erase the "Hard Hat" words from www.linux.sgi.com -- Ariel] The suggestion by Joe to check http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html proved to be pretty helpful, thanks. A search revealed no less than 22 parties claiming "Hard Hat" as a registered trade mark in various variations. I wrote back to Mr Hilarius (tm of Monty as Greg suggested :-) telling him that I couldn't verify his claim in this database (and what I found instead) and asked for more details. I also mentioned that AFAIK "Linux" is a trademark of Linus Torvalds and asked whether he can prove that he got permission from Linus to use the TM in his claimed TM: "Hard Hat Linux". That said, I made it clear that it is not our intention to infringe on anyone trademarks, and if he could only answer my questions in a satisfactory way, We'd be glad to change our web page. He had several days to respond, but I haven't heard from him since... Will let you know if he ever does. -- Peace, Ariel :On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: :> :> I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this :> email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you :> be doing in reponse. :> :> Note that: :> The facts this email presents are inaccurate: :> :> 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com :> just a free source distribution. :> 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is :> a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate :> any claim to its derivatives by another party. :> 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say :> it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 :> in a casual way in one title. :> 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". :> :> I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual :> use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any :> product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. :> :> :> Forwarded message: :> :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 :> :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> :> :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 :> :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) :> :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 :> :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca :> :From: Maurice Hilarius :> :Subject: Hard Hat Linux :> :Cc: ariel@sgi.com :> :Mime-Version: 1.0 :> :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" :> : :> :Good day Gentlemen. :> : :> :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: :> :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ :> : :> :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are :> :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, :> :Alberta, Canada. :> : :> :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not :> :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". :> :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, :> :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express :> :permission. :> : :> :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data :> :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). :> : :> :Seasons Greetings. :> : :> :Best regards, :> : :> : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 :> : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 :> : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com :> : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com :> : :> : :> :> :> -- :> Peace, Ariel :> :>-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon : : : :-- : :------------------------------------------------------------------------ :Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting :jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800 : -- Peace, Ariel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-ID: <199812162325.PAA14660@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:25:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> from "Joseph Michaud" at Dec 13, 98 07:58:29 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: Joseph Michaud Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Message-ID: <19981216232519.r0Vl_yUJ247wtSkXDFwZKN4BSXYl4oRX97zGjsYK27c@z> [FYI, regarding that request to erase the "Hard Hat" words from www.linux.sgi.com -- Ariel] The suggestion by Joe to check http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html proved to be pretty helpful, thanks. A search revealed no less than 22 parties claiming "Hard Hat" as a registered trade mark in various variations. I wrote back to Mr Hilarius (tm of Monty as Greg suggested :-) telling him that I couldn't verify his claim in this database (and what I found instead) and asked for more details. I also mentioned that AFAIK "Linux" is a trademark of Linus Torvalds and asked whether he can prove that he got permission from Linus to use the TM in his claimed TM: "Hard Hat Linux". That said, I made it clear that it is not our intention to infringe on anyone trademarks, and if he could only answer my questions in a satisfactory way, We'd be glad to change our web page. He had several days to respond, but I haven't heard from him since... Will let you know if he ever does. -- Peace, Ariel :On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: :> :> I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this :> email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you :> be doing in reponse. :> :> Note that: :> The facts this email presents are inaccurate: :> :> 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com :> just a free source distribution. :> 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is :> a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate :> any claim to its derivatives by another party. :> 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say :> it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 :> in a casual way in one title. :> 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". :> :> I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual :> use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any :> product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. :> :> :> Forwarded message: :> :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 :> :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> :> :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 :> :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) :> :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 :> :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca :> :From: Maurice Hilarius :> :Subject: Hard Hat Linux :> :Cc: ariel@sgi.com :> :Mime-Version: 1.0 :> :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" :> : :> :Good day Gentlemen. :> : :> :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: :> :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ :> : :> :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are :> :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, :> :Alberta, Canada. :> : :> :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not :> :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". :> :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, :> :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express :> :permission. :> : :> :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data :> :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). :> : :> :Seasons Greetings. :> : :> :Best regards, :> : :> : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 :> : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 :> : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com :> : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com :> : :> : :> :> :> -- :> Peace, Ariel :> :>-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon : : : :-- : :------------------------------------------------------------------------ :Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting :jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800 : -- Peace, Ariel