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From: R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl (Rogier Wolff)
To: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
Cc: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>,
	James Sutherland <jas88@cam.ac.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ECN: Clearing the air (fwd)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:23:28 +0100 (MET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200101281823.TAA06080@cave.bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0101281307090.24762-100000@shell.cyberus.ca> from jamal at "Jan 28, 2001 01:08:40 pm"

jamal wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Rogier Wolff wrote:
> 
> > jamal wrote:
> > > > Yes,
> > > > those firewalls should be updated to allow ECN-enabled packets
> > > > through. However, to break connectivity to such sites deliberately just
> > > > because they are not supporting an *experimental* extension to the current
> > > > protocols is rather silly.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is the way it's done with all protocols. or i should say the way it
> > > used to be done. How do you expect ECN to be deployed otherwise?
> >
> > Thinking about this a bit more:
> >
> > A sufficiently paranoid firewall should block requests that he doesn't
> > fully understand. ECN was in this category, so old firewalls are
> > "right" to block these. (Sending an 'RST' is not elegant. So be it.)
> >
> > However, ECN is now "understood", and operators are now in a position
> > to configure their firewall to "do the right thing". This is

> This would have been easier. The firewall operators were not
> provided with this option. This is hard-coded. I agree with the rest
> of your message.

Take "configure" with a bit of liberty. Because the firewall vendor
chose to hard-code this into the firmware. "configuring" in this case
means reconfiguring new software on the firewall. Blame the vendor. 

			Roger. 




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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-28 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-28  0:14 ECN: Clearing the air (fwd) jamal
2001-01-28  8:56 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 12:18   ` jamal
2001-01-28 13:29     ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 14:34       ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-01-28 16:44         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-29  7:32           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-29 12:30             ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-29 18:31             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-29 19:02               ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2001-01-29 19:27               ` George
2001-01-29 19:59                 ` Alex Pennace
2001-01-28 14:54       ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-28 16:15       ` jamal
2001-01-28 17:11         ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 18:07           ` jamal
2001-01-28 20:13           ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-29  2:58         ` David Lang
2001-01-29  7:20           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-28 19:42       ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-29  0:14         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-31 18:02         ` Alan Cox
2001-02-03 16:51           ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-29 12:57       ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-28 17:39     ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-28 18:01       ` Graham Murray
2001-01-28 18:08       ` jamal
2001-01-28 18:23         ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2001-01-28 18:38           ` jamal
2001-01-28 20:18         ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 21:33           ` ECN fixes for Cisco gear Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 22:09             ` ECN connectivity surveys Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 21:45           ` ECN fixes for Cisco gear Lincoln Dale
2001-01-28 14:04   ` ECN: Clearing the air (fwd) Ben Ford
2001-01-28 14:09     ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 15:38       ` Ben Ford
2001-01-28 19:55       ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 19:45     ` Gregory Maxwell

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