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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Jes Sorensen <jes@sunsite.dk>
Cc: CML2 <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:25:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010513112543.A16121@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010505192731.A2374@thyrsus.com> <d33da9tjjw.fsf@lxplus015.cern.ch>
In-Reply-To: <d33da9tjjw.fsf@lxplus015.cern.ch>; from jes@sunsite.dk on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 04:22:59PM +0200

Jes Sorensen <jes@sunsite.dk>:
> Not all cards have all features, not all users wants to enable all
> features.

Yes, I understand that.  You're not reading the derivations correctly.
Let's take an example:

derive MVME147_SCSI from MVME147 & SCSI

This doesn't turn on MVME147_SCSI on every MVME147 board.  It turns
on MVME147_SCSI when both MVME147 *and SCCI* are on.  So to suppress
MVME147_SCSI, one just leaves SCCI off.

All these derived symbols will still be controllable.  The difference
is that instead of being controlled by a low-level hardware-oriented
question they're controlled by a capability or subsystem symbol like
SCSI, NET_ETHERNET, or SERIAL.

> Eric> # These were separate questions in CML1 derive MAC_SCC from MAC
> Eric> & SERIAL derive MAC_SCSI from MAC & SCSI derive SUN3_SCSI from
> Eric> (SUN3 | SUN3X) & SCSI
> 
> As Alan already pointed out thats assumption is invalid.

I'm in touch with Ray Knight directly and will fix this as he requests.
 
> Yes I have objections. I thought I had made this clear a long time
> ago: Go play with another port and leave the m68k port alone.

Does this mean you'll take over maintaining the CML2 rules files
for the m68k port, so I don't have to?  That would be wonderful.

Reasoned objections can change my behavior.  Grunting territorial
challenges at me will not.  You have two options: (1) persuade Linus
that the whole CML2 thing is a bad idea and should be dropped, or (2)
work with me to correct any errors I have made and improve the system.
Growling at me and hoping I go away won't work, not when I've invested
a year's effort in this project.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism
is its adherents.
	-- George Orwell 

  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-13 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-05 23:27 CML2 design philosophy heads-up Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-06 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-07 17:59   ` Tom Rini
2001-05-07 21:57     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-08  9:44       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 12:42       ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-08  1:31     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  1:43       ` Tom Rini
2001-05-08  1:56         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  6:57           ` David Weinehall
2001-05-08  7:00             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  6:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-08  7:15             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 14:15               ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-13 14:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-13 15:25   ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-05-15 14:43     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17  7:26       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-17  7:47         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-17  9:35           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17 16:34             ` Tom Rini
2001-05-18  7:43               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18  8:20                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:53                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 14:06                     ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:09                     ` Keith Owens
2001-05-18 15:19                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:39                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:58                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:01                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:34                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:43                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:45                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:17                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:22                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:25                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-19  5:54                                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-18 17:33                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:25                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 19:13                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 19:44                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 20:38                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19  1:49                               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-18 19:12                       ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:11                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:26                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:34                         ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 14:30                           ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:47                             ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 15:42                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19  5:44                           ` Ben Ford
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.990252541.15890.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-19  6:40                             ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-05-19 10:10                               ` Ben Ford
2001-05-19 10:55                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-19 16:13                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 21:54                                   ` Ben Ford
2001-05-20  0:08                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:37                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:49                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:16                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:04                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 11:19                           ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:18                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:34                               ` Keith Owens
2001-05-20 15:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:44                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:56                               ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 17:14                                 ` Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  0:45                                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21  9:14                                   ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-21 11:32                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 20:38                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 12:15                                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 12:31                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 23:11                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 17:47                                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 20:47                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 20:59                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-20 21:10                                     ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21  3:38                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 22:51                                     ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21  1:13                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  6:41                                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 10:04                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 11:05                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 20:38                                       ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22  0:59                                         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-22  9:24                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23  1:51                                             ` Keith Owens
2001-05-21 23:00                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 13:45                                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 16:21                                         ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 17:17                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21  3:33                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 20:59                                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 18:31                                 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 20:13                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:59                       ` CML2 design philosophy heads-up Jonathan Morton
2001-05-18 16:17                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:35                         ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 20:03                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:07                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-18 15:38                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:04                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:09                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:43                           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 17:13                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:22                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:42                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 17:42                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:28                                 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:23                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:41                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:54                     ` Christer Weinigel
2001-05-18 16:02                     ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Germaschewski
2001-05-18 19:12                 ` frank
2001-05-15 20:32     ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-15 21:33       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:19         ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:37           ` Justin Carlson
2001-05-18 15:42           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:53             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:51           ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-05-18 15:58             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:00               ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:15                 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 17:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-21  0:29             ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21  1:58               ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21  6:33                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-21  9:55                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 16:59                   ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 17:03                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21  7:21                 ` arjan
2001-05-21  2:10               ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21  2:35                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-21  5:01                   ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-21  9:58                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 15:36                     ` Tom Rini
2001-05-21 16:24                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  6:11                 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-21 12:08                   ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 12:29                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 16:39                       ` Brent D. Norris
2001-05-21 17:48                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 15:18                   ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-05-21 15:21                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 15:52                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21  3:47               ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-18 16:22           ` Steven Cole
     [not found]   ` <0105210958040I.10237@spc.esa.lanl.gov>
     [not found]     ` <20010521090130.F9965@opus.bloom.county>
2001-05-21 16:13       ` Steven Cole
2001-05-18 17:10 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-13 16:44 Matthew Wilcox
     [not found] <mailman.990207420.8659.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-18 22:18 ` Pete Zaitcev

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