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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
	Kai Henningsen <kaih@khms.westfalen.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:56:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010522075634.A6096@bug.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <81Cnv5o1w-B@khms.westfalen.de> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105200925370.8940-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105200925370.8940-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>; from Alexander Viro on Sun, May 20, 2001 at 09:40:28AM -0400

Hi!

> > I've seen this question several times in this thread. I haven't seen the  
> > obvious answer, though.
> > 
> > Have a new system call:
> > 
> > ctlfd = open_device_control_fd(fd);
> > 
> > If fd is something that doesn't have a control interface (say, it already  
> > is a control filehandle), this returns an appropriate error code.
> 
> It may have several. Which one?
> 
> FWIW, I think that mixing network and device ioctls is a bad idea. These
> groups are very different and we'd be better off dealing with changes in
> them separately.
> 
> For devices... I'd say that fpath(2) (same type as getcwd(2)) would be
> a good way to deal with that. Or fpath(3) - implemented via readlink(2)
> on /proc/self/fd/<n>.

fpath is *wrong* solution, and extremely ugly.

stty 115200 < /dev/ttyS0 &
rm /dev/ttyS0

or even worse

stty 115200 < /dev/ttyS0 &
ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/ttyS0

What I'm trying to show is that with fpath you can no longer delete
open devices and continue to work with them. I really think that
open_sub(fd, "control") is right solution.
								Pavel
-- 
I'm pavel@ucw.cz. "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care."
Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents at discuss@linmodems.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-05-22 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 317+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-14 19:19 LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 19:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 19:57   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 20:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:09     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:24       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:21           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:43             ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-05-14 23:48               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 20:55           ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:20             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 21:37               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:24             ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 21:33               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15  6:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:57               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  9:26                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:49                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  9:51                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 10:12                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:36                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:55                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:21                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:25                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:29                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:32                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:44                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:18                                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 18:36                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:42                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  8:29                                 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 17:16                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:46                               ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:50                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:58                               ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 19:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:23                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 19:43                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:58                                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16  8:51                                     ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-17 10:20                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 17:32                                       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-19 10:21                                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 20:40                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 22:46                                       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-19  8:18                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:03                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:06                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:28                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-15 21:28                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:31                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16  7:11                                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:43                                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  9:45                                               ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-15 21:43                                         ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:49                                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-16  7:05                                             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 22:07                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  0:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:34                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-16  1:51                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  7:17                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 11:34                                         ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-17 17:07                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-17 19:30                                           ` Jeff Randall
2001-05-15 20:14                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:30                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:41                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:01                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:04                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:56                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 21:22                                     ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 10:42                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 18:32                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-19 10:23                                         ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants] Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:00                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:17                                             ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:35                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:43                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 20:31                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-19 23:57                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  7:18                                                   ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumber Registrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20  7:41                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  8:30                                                       ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumberRegistrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 10:09                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  9:53                                                 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num Kai Henningsen
2001-05-20 13:40                                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 14:27                                                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-20 14:30                                                     ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNum Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 14:45                                                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:00                                                         ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 15:18                                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:40                                                             ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 16:01                                                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:26                                                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-20 15:42                                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 17:45                                                         ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 18:14                                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 18:37                                                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 18:49                                                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 19:08                                                                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-22  5:56                                                     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2001-05-20  0:01                                               ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants] Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 11:17                                                 ` handling network using filesystem [was Re: no ioctls for serial ports?] Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 20:11                                             ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumber Registrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-17 20:33                                     ` LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:57                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:17                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:59                                 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:51                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:22                               ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-15 21:39                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-15 18:02                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 19:31                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 19:37                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:10                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:41                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 21:47                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:24                                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:27                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:38                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:14                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:28                                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:32                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:33                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:21                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 18:22                                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 19:36                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:01                                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:05                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:54                                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 21:36                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:11                                             ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-16 22:13                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:21                                                 ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16 23:03                                                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:25                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:37                                                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:38                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:41                                                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:43                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:49                                                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:55                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17 21:12                                                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:06                                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 20:18                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16 20:44                                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:51                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:58                                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-17  0:12                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17  0:24                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  1:35                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-17  9:33                                         ` Guest section DW
2001-05-15 20:58                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:42                       ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:46                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:57                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:07                             ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:11                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:18                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:40                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:12                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:34                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 23:39                         ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16 20:37                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:49                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 23:22                       ` Kenneth Johansson
2001-05-15  9:28                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:19                       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 15:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 17:27                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 18:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:33                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 19:36                                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-15 20:18                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:26                                       ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 22:14                                         ` Miles Lane
2001-05-15 21:29                                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-15 21:36                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 22:03                                         ` Jeff Mahoney
2001-05-15 22:42                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 21:51                                       ` Mark Frazer
2001-05-15 22:35                                       ` Bob Glamm
2001-05-16  0:56                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  2:31                                         ` Andrew Morton
2001-05-16  6:56                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  8:02                                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 14:37                                               ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 14:57                                                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 15:24                                                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 12:20                                             ` Bogdan Costescu
2001-05-16  7:24                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 23:26                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:31                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:53                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  0:21                                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  7:57                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 16:26                                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-17  6:43                                             ` Thomas Sailer
2001-05-17 16:58                                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:18                                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 17:29                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 17:41                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 22:03                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-16 23:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  1:26                                           ` Joel Becker
2001-05-16 16:04                                       ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-16 21:36                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-17 21:23                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-18  2:18                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19  8:42                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-19 17:36                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20  9:37                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-20 15:54                                               ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20 14:16                                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 15:57                                               ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:45                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  7:25                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15 18:19                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:23                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 20:28                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:52                               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 20:02                             ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 11:44               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:00                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16 12:58                     ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16  3:25                   ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:51               ` John Fremlin
2001-05-14 21:09           ` Andi Kleen
2001-05-14 23:34             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 21:11           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14 21:23             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  0:33               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16  9:04                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-14 21:16           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:05             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:30               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:48                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:46                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:53                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:54                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 23:00                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:58                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:29                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 23:39                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  4:20                             ` God
2001-05-15  7:48                             ` 2.4 " bert hubert
2001-05-15  8:54                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:09                                 ` bert hubert
2001-05-14 23:18                         ` LANANA: " Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-14 23:20                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 18:57                             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15  5:56                         ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-15  5:59                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:55                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:11                         ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-14 23:19                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:23                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  1:10                         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-15  4:12                 ` LANANA: Getting out of hand? God
2001-05-15  4:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  5:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:24                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15  8:48                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:16                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-14 23:01               ` Interrupted sound with 2.4.4-ac6 Hermann Himmelbauer
2001-05-14 21:18         ` LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:32       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:09   ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:14     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 17:37 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 11:32   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 15:58 ` Kurt Garloff
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-20 14:31 no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num Alexander Viro
     [not found] <7146.1033580256@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>
2002-10-03  0:36 ` [PATCH] AFS filesystem for Linux (2/2) Linus Torvalds
2002-10-03  9:05   ` David Howells
2002-10-03 16:53     ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-03 17:45       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-03 21:46       ` David Howells
2002-10-04  8:13       ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <15381.1033681790@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>
2002-10-04 14:02         ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-04 14:40           ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 15:35             ` David Howells
2002-10-04 15:53               ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 15:56                 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:03                   ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 16:17                     ` David Howells
2002-10-04 17:04                       ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 17:29                         ` David Howells
2002-10-07 14:14                         ` David Howells
2002-10-07 14:54                           ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-07 15:36                             ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:30               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-04 15:34           ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:07             ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-04 16:56               ` David Howells
2002-10-04 17:36                 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07  9:14                   ` David Howells
2002-10-06 16:49     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-07  9:16       ` David Howells
2002-10-04 14:11   ` [patch] [kkern] " Patrick Audley

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