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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Dan Podeanu <pdan@spiral.extreme.ro>,
	Torrey Hoffman <torrey.hoffman@myrio.com>
Cc: "'David Maynor'" <david.maynor@oit.gatech.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: encrypted swap
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:44:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010807234440.A2032@bug.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D52B19A7284D32459CF20D579C4B0C0211C9A8@mail0.myrio.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0108072212590.18776-100000@spiral.extreme.ro>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0108072212590.18776-100000@spiral.extreme.ro>; from Dan Podeanu on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:23:15PM +0300

Hi!

> > Now that laptop is stolen at an airport. The thief decides
> > to try to improve his take by grabbing useful information
> > from documents.  The encrypted documents are untouchable,
> > of course.  It _doesn't matter_ that the thief has the
> > hardware, the decryption key is protected by a passphrase
> > which is _nowhere_ on the hard drive.
> >
> > The only place that sensitive, unencrypted data could be
> > on such a machine is in swap.  In fact, it is _likely_ to
> > be in swap.
> >
> > Encrypted swap solves this _particular_ problem nicely,
> > does it not?
> 
> You got it bit.. wrong. Or, non-specific. If you assume that your laptop
> is stolen while its powered, then encrypted swap won't help you (strings
> /proc/kcore & the likes). If its going to be stolen while its offline, you
> can have your shutdown scripts blank the swap partition and the boot
> scripts call mkswap on it.
> 
> Or, somehow better & safer (or, explain the drawback):
> 
> spiral:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1024k count=16
> 16+0 records in
> 16+0 records out
> spiral:~# losetup -e DES /dev/loop0 /swap
> Password:
> Init (up to 16 hex digits):
> spiral:~# mkswap /dev/loop0
> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 16773120 bytes
> spiral:~# swapon /dev/loop0
> spiral:~# cat /proc/swaps
> Filename                        Type            Size    Used    Priority
> /dev/loop0                      partition       16376   0       -3
> 
> There, you have the swap encrypted, up and running. Of course, if
> you need

You have your swap encrypted, but I'm not sure for how long you'll see
it running before it deadlocks. Unless -e DES and loop were designed
for use with swap (were they?), this is tricky. Does anyone know if
swapping over loop is safe?

> more fancy encryption than the default, XOR or DES, get the crypto patch.
> You only need to have a script that does the stuff, that runs when the
> system boots, without shutdown scripts (in case of power/battery failure
> these might not be executed, hence the swap would not be wiped). Of
> course, you'll need to enter the losetup password upon booting, which
> might prove annoying (then again, if kernel would provide swap
> encryption, the only way to make it non-decryptable would be for you to
> enter a password, same drawback actually).

You could generate random password each boot. Should work well enough.

								Pavel
-- 
I'm pavel@ucw.cz. "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care."
Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents at discuss@linmodems.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-07 22:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-07 18:53 encrypted swap Torrey Hoffman
2001-08-07 19:15 ` Thomas Pornin
2001-08-07 19:23 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-08-07 19:48   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:04   ` Marty Poulin
2001-08-07 21:06   ` David Wagner
2001-08-07 21:56     ` D. Stimits
2001-08-07 21:44   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07 20:05   ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 20:17   ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
     [not found] <fa.kmbqblv.v3uvig@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-18 14:53 ` Encrypted Swap Ted Unangst
2001-08-18 15:17   ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2001-08-20 11:03   ` Helge Hafting
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-17 17:10 David Christensen
2001-08-17 17:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 18:41   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:05     ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-18  9:52       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-18 10:24         ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-18 12:32           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:20     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 10:34       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-07 21:40 encrypted swap David Spreen
2001-08-07 17:30 Encrypted Swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 17:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-07 15:28 encrypted swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:51 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:06 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:11 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:43   ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:30 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 16:21 ` David Spreen
2001-08-08  8:11 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 14:37 David Maynor
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Billy Harvey
2001-08-07 16:03 ` Chris Wedgwood
     [not found] <no.id>
2001-08-07 14:17 ` Encrypted Swap Alan Cox
2001-08-07 15:16   ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 16:01     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  2:28 David Spreen
2001-08-07  3:56 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07  4:01   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  4:12   ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  4:23     ` John Polyakov
2001-08-07  4:36       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  5:12       ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  5:55         ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  6:27           ` John Polyakov
2001-08-06 23:28             ` Rob Landley
2001-08-07 10:10               ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-08-07 14:05                 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07  6:41             ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  6:57               ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  6:45             ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  7:08               ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  7:23                 ` Sean Hunter
2001-08-07  8:39                   ` Ben Ford
2001-08-07 12:28                   ` Kevin Krieser
2001-08-07 12:39                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-07 14:21                     ` Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-07  7:26                 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  7:34                 ` Jeffrey Considine
2001-08-07  7:49                 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:01                 ` Peter Wächtler
2001-08-07 12:37           ` Michael Bacarella
2001-08-17 14:50           ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 15:39             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 15:57               ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 16:34                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-08-17 16:50                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:06               ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 17:16                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:22                   ` Jacob Alifrangis
2001-08-17 17:36                   ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 18:51                     ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-17 19:30                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18  8:51                         ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-18 11:02                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-19  8:51                             ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-20  1:27                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-20 11:08                             ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-20 11:50                             ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-21 13:55                         ` Andreas Bombe
2001-08-17 20:00                       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:09         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-08-07  7:34       ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  7:55         ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 15:17         ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  7:49     ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07  7:58       ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:23         ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 13:29           ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-08-07 15:56           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:54             ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 17:10               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  9:52     ` Brian May
2001-08-07 14:48       ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:59         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:18           ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 16:24             ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-08  2:13       ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-07 20:30   ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-07 10:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli

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