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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolabs.com>
To: "Mark H. Wood" <mwood@IUPUI.Edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ext2 not NULLing deleted files?
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:09:43 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010817140831.H17372@turbolinux.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010817020241.C32617@turbolinux.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108171243410.392-100000@mhw.ULib.IUPUI.Edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108171243410.392-100000@mhw.ULib.IUPUI.Edu>

On Aug 17, 2001  12:55 -0500, Mark H. Wood wrote:
> Regarding the need to do more than just zero unwanted data, I note that
> there is a U.S. DOD MIL-SPEC (no, I do not know the number) which defines
> a sequence of patterns to be used for erasing magnetic media.

In the Usenix paper quoted earlier in this thread (I believe) it was
stated that the MIL-SPEC document was actually bogus.  REAL secure
deletion requirements were much more strict (something like 15 passes of
various random and non-random patterns vs. 7 passes of alternating all 0
and all 1 data), but the US government made it think that the MIL-SPEC
requirements were enough, so that naive users would follow it, still
leaving enough trace data on the disk for the government to retrieve it.

Still, even a single pass of zero writes is enough to prevent 99.9%
of attackers from getting the data back.

Cheers, Andreas
-- 
Andreas Dilger  \ "If a man ate a pound of pasta and a pound of antipasto,
                 \  would they cancel out, leaving him still hungry?"
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/               -- Dogbert


  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-17 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-17  7:38 ext2 not NULLing deleted files? Enver Haase
2001-08-17  7:47 ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 17:40   ` Mark H. Wood
2001-08-17  7:56 ` Thomas Pornin
2001-08-17  8:02 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-17 17:55   ` Mark H. Wood
2001-08-17 20:09     ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2001-08-21 14:19   ` Andreas Bombe
2001-08-17 16:32 ` Marc SCHAEFER
2001-08-17 17:25   ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found] <01081709381000.08800@haneman.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-08-17  8:03 ` Andi Kleen
2001-08-17 14:20   ` Kent Borg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-17 22:05 Jesse Pollard

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