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From: Mike Touloumtzis <miket@bluemug.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: How to check the kernel compile options ?
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:08:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020207210823.GH26826@bluemug.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a3mjhc$qba$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <E16Yu52-00015I-00@starship.berlin> <20020207203451.GE26826@bluemug.com> <E16YvYs-00015d-00@starship.berlin>
In-Reply-To: <E16YvYs-00015d-00@starship.berlin>

On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 09:54:30PM +0100, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> On February 7, 2002 09:34 pm, Mike Touloumtzis wrote:
> > Some possible available avenues of argument for you are:
> 
> I think you're just arguing for the sake of argument, which basically sums
> up all the arguments we've seen against this.

Not at all.  I really believe that embedded unnecessary information in
the kernel is a bad idea.  I don't want my kernels to get any bigger
than they are now unless useful features are being added (I have no
problem with that).  I develop for embedded devices, so I'm particularly
sensitive to this issue.

My understanding is that "keep features out of the kernel if possible"
is the majority opinion, not a crackpot weirdo stance.

> Let me put it in simple terms: you've got an alarm clock, haven't you?  When 
> you set the alarm, you don't need to have any little light on the front that 
> tells you the alarm is set, do you?  Because, after all you're not stupid, 
> you know you set it.  And you can always get out of bed and look at the 
> position of the switch, right?

I don't think this is a close enough analogy to illustrate anything.
The examples I chose to illustrate my points were IMHO closely related
software packaging issues.

miket

  reply	other threads:[~2002-02-07 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-04 16:01 How to check the kernel compile options ? David Balazic
2002-02-04 16:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 17:02   ` David Balazic
2002-02-04 17:23     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 17:12       ` David Balazic
2002-02-04 17:16         ` Allan Sandfeld
2002-02-04 18:05           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 18:14             ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-04 18:24               ` Ben Greear
2002-02-04 18:24               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 22:11                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04 23:46                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 23:34               ` J.A. Magallon
2002-02-04 18:09     ` Samuli Suonpaa
2002-02-04 17:34 ` Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-04 17:50 ` David Relson
2002-02-04 18:22   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-05 22:02     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-05 22:13       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-06  9:15         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07  4:13           ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07  9:32             ` Marco Colombo
2002-02-07 13:18             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 18:26               ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 19:19                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 20:34                   ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 20:54                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 21:08                       ` Mike Touloumtzis [this message]
2002-02-07 21:33                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 23:58                         ` John Alvord
2002-02-09 21:59                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-07 21:08                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 21:41                       ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 22:09                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 22:13                           ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 22:27                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-08 20:53                           ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-09 12:22                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-11 16:07                             ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-09 21:39                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-06 16:37       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-04 18:34   ` David Relson
2002-02-04 21:09     ` Keith Owens
2002-02-05 16:30       ` Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-04 22:12     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found] <0C01A29FBAE24448A792F5C68F5EA47D217218@nasdaq.ms.ensim.com>
2002-02-12 21:26 ` Paul Menage
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-06  4:55 Rick A. Hohensee
2002-02-05 23:56 Andries.Brouwer
2002-02-06  0:14 ` Ian S. Nelson
2002-02-06  0:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-06  0:20 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-06 10:36   ` Christoph Rohland
2002-02-06 14:16     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-06 15:31       ` Christoph Rohland
2002-02-06 22:13         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-06 15:59       ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-06 16:32         ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-09 18:15         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-11  0:29           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-11 19:05             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-11 21:17               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-12  0:32               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-12 16:38                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-12 17:23                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-12 17:26                     ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-12 18:32                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-12 21:06                         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-12 22:10                           ` Ville Herva
2002-02-12 22:33                             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-13  0:49                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-13  2:35                             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-12 18:26                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-13 14:19                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-13 15:58                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13 23:00                         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-13 16:25                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-13 18:09                         ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-13 18:26                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13 18:27                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-13 18:35                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13 18:40                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-13 21:51                         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-13 22:02                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-13 23:08                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-13 23:21                               ` Ben Greear
2002-02-13 23:39                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-13 22:17                           ` Ben Greear
2002-02-13 23:13                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-14 16:48                               ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-15 22:51                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-15 23:04                                   ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-16  1:10                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-19 11:14                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-16  0:58                                   ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-22 19:56                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-23  7:02                                       ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-26  6:30                                         ` Andreas Ferber
2002-03-01 21:01                                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-14  1:02                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-17 12:11                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-12 17:35                   ` Chris Friesen
2002-02-11 18:37           ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-11 19:26             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-06 16:26       ` Ville Herva
2002-02-06 17:26         ` Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-06 18:16         ` David Relson
2002-02-07  7:56           ` Ville Herva
2002-02-07  9:12             ` Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-07 12:22               ` Ville Herva
2002-02-07 21:11             ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-08  8:25               ` Ville Herva
2002-02-07  8:52       ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-06 11:29 ` Marco Colombo
2002-02-06 13:26   ` Horst von Brand
     [not found] <fa.c5n369v.1a10827@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-04 16:21 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-04 16:01 David Balazic
2002-02-04 21:47 ` Matti Aarnio

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