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From: Robert Schwebel <robert@schwebel.de>
To: Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 07:31:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020526073136.H598@schwebel.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205250152110.15928-100000@hawkeye.luckynet.adm> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205251015350.6515-100000@home.transmeta.com> <20020526005827.B598@schwebel.de> <20020526004853.GA18679@codepoet.org>

On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 06:48:53PM -0600, Erik Andersen wrote:
> Indeed.  For example -- suppose I have an application that is driving a
> robot.  My application needs to calculate the target values for
> each joint position in such that I can plot out the jerk,
> acceleration, velocity, and position in cartesian space of a tool
> moving in joint space (i.e. lots of 4x4 matrix multiplications,
> often involving a full 3D model of the workcell) And I need to
> send each new set of target values to the controller at the servo
> rate or the robot will stutter.  
> 
> But if only it were that easy...  Since the target values we are
> talking about is actually just the amount of current being sent
> to the servo motors.  So also at the servo rate, I must read the
> encoders for each joint to get its actual position (as opposed to
> nominal postition) and feed that into a control routine
> (typically using a PID routine using PID gains that vary
> non-linearly per arm position, intertial loading, phase of the
> moon, etc) which then varies the actual per-axis servo motor
> current  to make the cartesian-space path of the tool match the
> nominal path.
> 
> So now we have a full 3D model of the robot, the non-liner model
> of the robot PID-gain space, the entire (application specific)
> workcell model, the robot specific forward and inverse kinematics
> routines, and the entire trajectory planning subsystem.  And of
> course we now need the real-time IO subsystem to handle are the
> thousands of this-and-that sensors (think PLC-type behavior).
> etc, etc, etc.  All this in the kernel?  Nah...

People are doing this (or at least something similar) in reality these
days... :-) 

Hopefully, your post shows clearly why there are users out there who don't
want to make such complex algorithms open source, and I must say I can
understand them. 

Robert
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-26  5:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204292127480.1709-100000@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found] ` <3CEDF94C.592636A6@kegel.com>
     [not found]   ` <3CEDFCED.D10CD618@zip.com.au>
     [not found]     ` <3CEE806D.D52FBEA5@kegel.com>
2002-05-24 20:26       ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-24 21:18         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-24 21:18         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-24 21:46           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-24 23:05             ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-24 23:22               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-24 23:53                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-25  4:31                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  4:44                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25  5:20                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  5:39                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25  6:05                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  7:59                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-05-25 16:14                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 16:20                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 16:25                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 16:41                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 22:47                                   ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  1:06                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-26  5:45                                       ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:47                               ` Kurt Wall
2002-05-25 18:13                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 19:21                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 18:32                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 18:38                                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 17:22                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 17:49                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 20:07                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 20:29                                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-26  2:53                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26  2:17                                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-25 20:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:19                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 17:50                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:02                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 18:26                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:44                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 19:04                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 19:52                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 20:36                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 20:51                                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 21:05                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:20                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 21:23                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  2:46                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26  3:33                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:44                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 23:16                                             ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                                               ` <200205260255.g4Q2tkM62553@saturn.cs.uml.edu>
2002-05-26  5:48                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-27  5:28                                               ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-05-27 22:12                                                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 21:14                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26  2:09                                         ` David Schleef
2002-05-26  3:17                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  3:45                                             ` David Schleef
2002-05-26  4:03                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 19:40                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 19:06                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 20:17                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-26 20:33                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 21:33                                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 20:44                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  9:13                                               ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]y Der Herr Hofrat
2002-05-26 14:13                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 16:31                                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26  3:58                                             ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Alexander Viro
2002-05-26  4:13                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  7:30                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-26 14:42                                                   ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 16:17                                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 16:27                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 18:12                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 18:22                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 18:33                                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 18:45                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 23:27                                     ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 18:44                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 19:14                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 19:41                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 18:30                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:52                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:22                                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-05-25 21:33                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:39                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 21:55                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 22:05                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 22:13                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 22:17                                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 23:10                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 23:54                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-26  4:05                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  6:25                                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 23:56                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  3:40                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  8:05                                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  8:58                                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 22:19                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2002-05-25 22:34                                         ` Erwin Rol
2002-05-25 23:17                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 23:37                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 23:46                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26  0:01                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 10:11                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-05-26 13:04                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 13:26                                       ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 14:09                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 14:21                                           ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 15:30                                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 16:55                                               ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 18:00                                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 18:29                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 21:45                                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 21:58                                                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-26 22:12                                                         ` Erwin Rol
2002-05-26 22:34                                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 22:07                                                       ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-26 22:18                                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 18:20                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 15:58                                             ` Nicholas Knight
2002-05-27  2:42                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 22:58                             ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  0:48                               ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-26  5:31                                 ` Robert Schwebel [this message]
2002-05-26 10:19                                   ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-25  6:08                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25  4:48                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  5:00                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25  9:02                       ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:34                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-24 23:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25  3:13                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  3:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25  3:46                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  4:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25  4:25                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25  4:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25  5:53                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25  4:52                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25  9:08                     ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:27                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 20:30                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-26  2:51                           ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26  4:11                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-26 19:37                               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 20:05                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-27 15:27                                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-25 22:33                         ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26  0:07                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 20:34                             ` Pierre Cloutier
2002-05-26  0:44                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:03                                 ` Pierre Cloutier
2002-05-26  0:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-26  3:12                               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-26  4:20                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-26  4:25                                   ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 13:50                                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-26  3:28                               ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP - Warning actual technical content yodaiken
2002-05-26  3:36                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26  4:00                                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-26  5:38                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26  1:21                             ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Roman Zippel
2002-05-26  5:44                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-27  4:12                         ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-05-25  9:05                 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25  8:59               ` Realtime Linux Situation Robert Schwebel
2002-05-24 21:57           ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Andreas Dilger
2002-05-24 22:37             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 23:09               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-05-27 17:36               ` Siemens powermanagment patent? [was Re: patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]] Pavel Machek
2002-05-27 21:36                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 21:56         ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Alexander Viro
2002-05-24 22:46         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 22:53           ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-27 21:52 Adam J. Richter
2002-05-27 23:26 ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-28  6:29 peter
2002-05-28 11:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-29 11:25 Robert Kaiser
2002-05-30 22:37 patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17) ] Ed Vance

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