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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 12/16] fix race between writeback and unlink
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:04:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020601200414.GD14918@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3CF88933.2EC13C8F@zip.com.au> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206010935290.10978-100000@home.transmeta.com> <3CF91E48.C76B34FA@zip.com.au>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> The general VFS layer really shouldn't have assigned that strogn a meaning
>> to "i_nlink" anyway, it's not for the VFS layer to decide (and it only
>> causes problems for any non-UNIX-on-a-disk filesystems).

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:19:36PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Yes, I suspect all the inode refcounting, locking, I_FREEING, I_LOCK, etc
> could do with a spring clean. Make it a bit more conventional.  I'll 
> discuss with Al when he resurfaces.

I'm somewhat concerned about the protection of ->i_size, since that
appears to be accessed in generic_file_read() without any protection
against writers to the field. From a quick glance at current 2.5 (it
looks like 2.4 has this too) it looks like it's written to by
vmtruncate() through notify_change() with the ->i_sem and BKL held at
the moment, but generic_file_read() doesn't take either before reading
it, and there may be still other writers. I also don't see the anything
like read_barrier_depends() for lockless algorithms or any atomic reads.
Even on machines with extremely strong memory consistency models like
i386, as loff_t is long long, it would seem possible to catch a partial
update and see an entirely bogus ->i_size value. It also appears
->i_size is used to provide some protection against reads of truncated
pages, which may be unreliable without some protection of ->i_size.

If these issues are not what I believe them to be I would be more than
happy to have these impressions corrected.

Cheers,
Bill

  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-01 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-01  8:43 [patch 12/16] fix race between writeback and unlink Andrew Morton
2002-06-01 16:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-01 19:19   ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-01 20:04     ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2002-06-01 22:25       ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-03  4:27     ` [RFC] iput() cleanup (was Re: [patch 12/16] fix race between writeback and unlink) Linus Torvalds
2002-06-03 16:26       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-06-03 16:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-03 19:09       ` Chris Mason
2002-06-03 19:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-03 19:49           ` Chris Mason
2002-06-03 19:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-03 22:10     ` [patch 12/16] fix race between writeback and unlink Chris Mason
2002-06-03 22:19       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-03 22:30         ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-04 18:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-04 20:15             ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-04 20:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-04 20:40                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-04 21:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-04 22:04                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-06-04 22:08                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-07 20:38                     ` Riley Williams
2002-06-04 22:05                 ` Craig Milo Rogers
2002-06-04 22:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-03 22:36         ` Chris Mason
2002-06-03 22:47           ` Andrew Morton

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