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From: Ralf Baechle <ralf@oss.sgi.com>
To: "Kevin D. Kissell" <kevink@mips.com>
Cc: "H. J. Lu" <hjl@lucon.org>,
	linux-mips@oss.sgi.com,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sources.redhat.com>
Subject: Re: PATCH: Always use ll/sc for mips
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:57:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020704155726.A28268@dea.linux-mips.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00d401c22337$7e731580$10eca8c0@grendel>; from kevink@mips.com on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 10:47:41AM +0200

On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 10:47:41AM +0200, Kevin D. Kissell wrote:

> The R5900 kernel for the Playstation 2 does not use system
> calls.  It uses a memory-mapped pseudo-device hack that
> the guys at Sony came up with, which is much faster.  We
> at MIPS came up with an even faster hack which uses 
> the destruction of a "k" register value, but which requires 
> the branch-likely instruction and thus only workson 
> MIPS II CPUs and above (R39xxx, R4xxx, R5xxx,
> but not the classic R3K).  See my message
> "Re: patches for test-and-set without ll/sc" of January 22.
> 
> I consider it to be very important for MIPS/Linux
> that the embedded/workstation kernel and libraries
> merge with the Playstation 2 "consumer" Linux, and
> I don't think that will happen if we try to push the
> PS2 people to use something far less efficient than
> what they already have. "Entia non sunt multiplicanda 
> praeter necessitatem", as a wise old guy once said,
> but could we not consider a MIPS/Linux universe
> where R3000 binaries use system calls, non-LL/SC
> MIPSII+ binaries use k-register destruction, real,
> manly, MIPS binaries use LL/SC instructions, and
> where the MIPS/Linux kernel (a) supports an appropriate
> system call, (b) makes a contract with userland to 
> destroy k-regs predictably, and (c) contains the
> emulation logic for LL/SC?  That should give us
> full cross-platform binary compatibility, with optimal
> performance on each platform when an appropriately
> configured set of libraries and tools is installed.

No, Sony's ABI isn't MP proof and will break silently on MP systems.  As
such I can't consider it anything else but a hack.  sysmips(MIPS_ATOMIC_SET,
...) and ll/sc however are MP proof.

  Ralf

  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-04 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-02 18:40 PATCH: Always use ll/sc for mips H. J. Lu
2002-07-02 20:06 ` Ralf Baechle
2002-07-02 21:04   ` H. J. Lu
2002-07-04  8:00     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-07-04  8:47   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-07-04  8:47     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-07-04 13:57     ` Ralf Baechle [this message]
2002-07-04 14:14       ` Hiroyuki Machida
2002-07-08 17:21       ` Jun Sun
2002-07-08 17:34         ` Ralf Baechle
2002-07-16  0:59 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-07-16 15:22   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-07-16 15:42     ` H. J. Lu
2002-07-17  8:31       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-07-17 15:01         ` H. J. Lu

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