From: "Bill Rugolsky Jr." <brugolsky@telemetry-investments.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>,
frankeh@watson.ibm.com, davidm@hpl.hp.com,
David Mosberger <davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
gh@us.ibm.com, Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:46:47 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020809134647.A19270@ti19> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208090951570.1436-100000@home.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:52:53AM -0700
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:52:53AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Read up on positivism.
Please don't. Read Karl Popper instead.
> "If it can't be measured, it doesn't exist".
The positivist Copenhagen interpretation stifled important areas of
physics for half a century. There is a distinction to be made between
an explanatory construct (whereby I mean to imply nothing fancy, no
quarks, just a brick), and the evidence that supports that construct
in the form of observable quantities. It's all there in Popper's work.
> The point being that there are things we can measure, and until anything
> else comes around, those are the things that will have to guide us.
True, as far as it goes. Measurement=good, idle-speculation=bad.
But it pays to keep in mind that progress is nonlinear. In 1988, Van
Jabobsen noted (http://www.kohala.com/start/vanj.88jul20.txt):
(I had one test case that went like
Basic system: 600 KB/s
add feature A: 520 KB/s
drop A, add B: 530 KB/s
add both A & B: 700 KB/s
Obviously, any statement of the form "feature A/B is good/bad"
is bogus.) But, in spite of the ambiguity, some of the network
design folklore I've heard seems to be clearly wrong.
Such anomalies abound.
Regards,
Bill Rugolsky
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-08-09 17:43 UTC|newest]
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2002-08-02 19:34 ` large page patch (fwd) (fwd) Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 3:19 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 3:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 4:17 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 4:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 4:39 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 5:20 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 19:30 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 19:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 21:18 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 21:54 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 0:35 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 2:25 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-04 17:19 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 15:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 15:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 16:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:31 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 18:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 17:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 17:40 ` yodaiken
2002-08-09 19:15 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 21:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 21:19 ` Marcin Dalecki
2002-08-09 17:46 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr. [this message]
2002-08-12 9:23 ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-13 3:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-13 3:31 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 7:28 ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-09 21:38 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-10 18:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-10 18:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-10 19:55 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-10 19:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-09 18:32 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 18:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 19:17 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-11 20:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 22:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-11 22:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 22:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 23:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-12 0:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 23:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-11 23:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12 8:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13 8:40 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-13 11:36 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 12:53 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 17:14 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2002-08-13 17:29 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 13:18 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 18:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 13:50 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 17:45 ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-13 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 17:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 13:35 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 19:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-22 12:03 ` bill davidsen
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208130942130.7411-100000@home.transmeta.com >
2002-08-13 18:46 ` large page patch (fwd) Mike Galbraith
2002-08-11 23:44 ` large page patch (fwd) (fwd) Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13 8:51 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 16:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13 13:09 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-11 23:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12 1:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-12 5:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12 10:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-04 0:28 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 17:31 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-04 19:23 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-04 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-05 5:42 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 19:30 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 20:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-05 16:59 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-05 17:21 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-05 21:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-04 19:41 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-05 5:40 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 18:41 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-03 19:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-04 0:32 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 19:41 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 20:53 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-03 21:26 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 21:50 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 0:34 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 0:31 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 17:25 ` Hubertus Franke
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0208021252090.2466-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2002-08-02 23:54 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-08-03 0:35 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-03 1:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 4:26 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-08-03 4:39 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] <200208041331.24895.frankeh@watson.ibm.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208041131380.10314-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <3D4D7F24.10AC4BDB@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-04 20:20 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-04 23:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-05 23:30 Seth, Rohit
2002-08-06 5:01 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06 4:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-06 5:19 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06 5:08 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-06 5:32 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06 19:11 ` Hubertus Franke
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-06 20:38 Luck, Tony
2002-08-06 21:03 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 17:51 Seth, Rohit
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