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From: "Bill Rugolsky Jr." <brugolsky@telemetry-investments.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>,
	frankeh@watson.ibm.com, davidm@hpl.hp.com,
	David Mosberger <davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	gh@us.ibm.com, Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:46:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020809134647.A19270@ti19> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208090951570.1436-100000@home.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:52:53AM -0700

On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:52:53AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Read up on positivism.

Please don't.  Read Karl Popper instead.
 
> "If it can't be measured, it doesn't exist".
 
The positivist Copenhagen interpretation stifled important areas of
physics for half a century.  There is a distinction to be made between
an explanatory construct (whereby I mean to imply nothing fancy, no
quarks, just a brick), and the evidence that supports that construct
in the form of observable quantities.  It's all there in Popper's work.

> The point being that there are things we can measure, and until anything 
> else comes around, those are the things that will have to guide us.

True, as far as it goes.  Measurement=good, idle-speculation=bad.
 
But it pays to keep in mind that progress is nonlinear.  In 1988, Van
Jabobsen noted (http://www.kohala.com/start/vanj.88jul20.txt):

   (I had one test case that went like
 
       Basic system:    600 KB/s
       add feature A:    520 KB/s
       drop A, add B:    530 KB/s
       add both A & B:    700 KB/s
 
   Obviously, any statement of the form "feature A/B is good/bad"
   is bogus.)  But, in spite of the ambiguity, some of the network
   design folklore I've heard seems to be clearly wrong.
 
Such anomalies abound.

Regards,

   Bill Rugolsky

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-09 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E17ahdi-0001RC-00@w-gerrit2>
2002-08-02 19:34 ` large page patch (fwd) (fwd) Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03  3:19   ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03  3:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03  4:17       ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03  4:26         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03  4:39           ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03  5:20             ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 17:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 19:30                 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 19:43                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 21:18                     ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 21:54                       ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04  0:35                         ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04  2:25                           ` David Mosberger
2002-08-04 17:19                             ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 15:20                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 15:56                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 16:15                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:31                                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 18:08                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:51                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 17:11                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:27                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 16:52                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 17:40                                       ` yodaiken
2002-08-09 19:15                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 21:20                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 21:19                                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2002-08-09 17:46                                       ` Bill Rugolsky Jr. [this message]
2002-08-12  9:23                                     ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-13  3:15                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-13  3:31                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13  7:28                                         ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-09 21:38                                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-10 18:20                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-10 18:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-10 19:55                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-10 19:54                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-09 18:32                                 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 18:43                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 19:17                                     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-11 20:30                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 22:33                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-11 22:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 22:56                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 23:36                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-12  0:46                                         ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 23:42                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-11 23:50                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12  8:22                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13  8:40                                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 15:06                                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-13 11:36                                                     ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 16:51                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 12:53                                                         ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 17:14                                                         ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2002-08-13 17:29                                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 13:18                                                           ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 18:32                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 13:50                                                               ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 17:45                                                           ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-13 17:55                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 17:59                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 13:35                                                               ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 19:12                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-22 12:03                                                           ` bill davidsen
     [not found]                                                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208130942130.7411-100000@home.transmeta.com >
2002-08-13 18:46                                                         ` large page patch (fwd) Mike Galbraith
2002-08-11 23:44                                           ` large page patch (fwd) (fwd) Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13  8:51                                             ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 16:47                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13 13:09                                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-11 23:15                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12  1:26                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-12  5:05                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12 10:31                                           ` Alan Cox
2002-08-04  0:28                 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 17:31                   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 18:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-04 19:23                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-04 19:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-05  5:42                           ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 19:30                       ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 20:23                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-05 16:59                         ` David Mosberger
2002-08-05 17:21                           ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-05 21:10                             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-04 19:41                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-05  5:40                     ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 18:41             ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-03 19:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-04  0:32                 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 19:41               ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 20:53                 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-03 21:26                   ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 21:50                     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04  0:34                   ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04  0:31                 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 17:25                   ` Hubertus Franke
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0208021252090.2466-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2002-08-02 23:54 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-08-03  0:35   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-03  1:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03  4:26       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-08-03  4:39         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found] <200208041331.24895.frankeh@watson.ibm.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208041131380.10314-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <3D4D7F24.10AC4BDB@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-04 20:20     ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-04 23:51       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-05 23:30 Seth, Rohit
2002-08-06  5:01 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06  4:58   ` David S. Miller
2002-08-06  5:19     ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06  5:08       ` David S. Miller
2002-08-06  5:32         ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06 19:11 ` Hubertus Franke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-06 20:38 Luck, Tony
2002-08-06 21:03 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 17:51 Seth, Rohit

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