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From: Dave Jones <davej@codemonkey.org.uk>
To: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
Cc: nwourms@netscape.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux v2.5.44 - and offline for a week
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:11:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021021131137.GA12708@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200210201749.41625.landley@trommello.org>

On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 05:49:41PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:

 > There will always be code that's not ready before the freeze, and that won't 
 > make it in.  If this wasn't the case, there wouldn't be a need for a cutoff 
 > date, would there?  "Oh, development is over, there are no more interesting 
 > new patches anywhere, we can all go home now."  Doesn't happen.

Likewise, there _will_ be /some/ things that go in after the freeze.

- Things that are broken now that absolutely need fixing at all costs
  before the freeze. Thankfully, most of this work seems to be driver
  work. Some subsystems (ISDN, i2o, some of the net protos) need some
  more indepth surgery, but this is imo all valid work that can happen
  post freeze.
- Zero impact features.
  As an example, now that the x86 subarch support is merged, even quite
  large things, like support for Voyager has no impact on anything else
  now. Likewise new filesystems as long as it doesn't require VFS
  changes. (Something the Reiser4 folks seem to have realised).
- "Oops, this is totally broken" features.
  There still seems no concensus on volume management for 2.6
  Leaving existing LVM1 users dead in the water with the reply
  "leave it to vendors to add the dm/evms patch" just doesn't seem
  right. We need *something* for 2.6

AFAIAC, the freeze that happens on Linus return is really just a freeze
on core changes that have knock-on effects on other areas.
Lets worry about getting that right first, and hopefully we won't
have the 2.x.99 "this VM isn't quite right" holy wars yet again.

		Dave

-- 
| Dave Jones.        http://www.codemonkey.org.uk


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-21 13:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-19  4:24 Linux v2.5.44 - and offline for a week Linus Torvalds
2002-10-19 12:41 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-19 14:05   ` Russell King
2002-10-19 16:40     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-20  1:58   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 12:59     ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-21  3:51       ` 2.6: Shortlist of Missing Features Rusty Russell
2002-10-21  2:44         ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21  7:43           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-21  7:59             ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
     [not found]               ` <200210202207.21397.landley@trommello.org>
2002-10-21  8:14                 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2002-10-21 11:22           ` [STATUS 2.5] October 21, 2002 Guillaume Boissiere
2002-10-21 20:22             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-22 19:47               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-22 19:57                 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-22 20:18                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-23  1:44                     ` Dave Jones
2002-10-22 20:33                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-21 20:36             ` Son of crunch time: the list v1.2 Rob Landley
2002-10-22  1:54               ` Davide Libenzi
2002-10-22  2:02               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-21 21:42                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-22  2:53                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22  2:58                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-22 17:32                     ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-22 17:40                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-22 17:48                         ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-22 18:25                           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-23 15:36                       ` Rob Landley
2002-10-22  3:20                   ` Robert Love
     [not found]                     ` <200210211900.42772.landley@trommello.org>
2002-10-22  5:04                       ` Robert Love
2002-10-22  9:40                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22  6:53                       ` george anzinger
2002-10-22  6:45                   ` george anzinger
     [not found]                     ` <200210221232.IAA03454@mc.com>
2002-10-22 19:24                       ` george anzinger
2002-10-22 10:15                   ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-22  2:13                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-22  3:01                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-10-22  8:14                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-22 12:54                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 10:28                 ` Vamsi Krishna S .
2002-10-23 16:03                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-24  7:23                     ` Vamsi Krishna S .
2002-10-22  2:26           ` 2.6: Shortlist of Missing Features Rusty Russell
2002-10-22  5:21             ` David S. Miller
2002-10-21  4:04         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-21 12:39           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-21  4:07         ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-21  4:20         ` Skip Ford
2002-10-21 12:38         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-21 13:26           ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-22  3:42           ` Rusty Russell
2002-10-22  3:28             ` Bride of crunch time: list 1.3-ish (was Re: 2.6: Shortlist of Missing Features) Rob Landley
2002-10-20 22:49   ` Linux v2.5.44 - and offline for a week Rob Landley
2002-10-21 10:15     ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-21 13:11     ` Dave Jones [this message]
2002-10-21 17:55       ` Nicholas Wourms

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