From: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>
To: <chris@scary.beasts.org>,
Olaf Dietsche <olaf.dietsche#list.linux-kernel@t-online.de>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] 2.5.44 (1/2): Filesystem capabilities kernel patch
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:23:09 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200210290323.09565.agruen@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0210282327520.8990-100000@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 00:36, chris@scary.beasts.org wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Olaf Dietsche wrote:
> > Solving the last issue (checking access to the capabilities database)
> > involves filesystem support, I guess. So, this will be the next step
> > to address.
> >
> > If you're careful with giving away capabilities however, this patch
> > can make your system more secure as it is. But this isn't fully
> > explored, so you might achieve the opposite and open new security
> > holes.
>
> Have you checked how glibc handles an executable with filesystem
> capabilities? e.g. can an LD_PRELOAD hack subvert the privileged
> executable?
> I'm not sure what the current glibc security check is, but it used to be
> simple *uid() vs. *euid() checks. This would not catch an executable with
> filesystem capabilities.
> Have a look at
> http://security-archive.merton.ox.ac.uk/security-audit-199907/0192.html
It seems an additional mechanism is needed to prevent LD_PRELOAD from loading
non-standard libraries for executables that are not suid/sgid, if those
executables have any effective or permitted capabilities that the calling
process doesn't have already.
This shouldn't be too hard; perhaps Ulrich has an opinion on that.
> I think the eventual plan was that we pass the kernel's current->dumpable
> as an ELF note. Not sure if it got done. Alternatively glibc could use
> prctl(PR_GET_DUMPABLE).
Sorry, I don't know exactly what was your plan here. Could you please explain?
A perhaps unrelated note: We once had Pavel Machek's elfcap implementation, in
which capabilities were stored in ELF. This was a bad idea because being able
to create executables does not imply the user is capable of CAP_SETFCAP, and
users shouldn't be able to freely choose their capabilities :-] We still want
to be able to grant additional capabilities to a binary that are not owned by
root though. Extended attributes to overcome this limitation.
There also has to be a mechanism to drop capabilities off binaries if they are
written to (on write or perhaps on open).
The final goal would be the `incapable root user', i.e., we would not give
suid root binaries any capabilities except those that are explicitly defined.
--Andreas.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-29 2:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-18 19:07 [PATCH][RFC] 2.5.42 (1/2): Filesystem capabilities kernel patch Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-18 23:00 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-19 0:07 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-19 0:25 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-24 12:25 ` [PATCH][RFC] 2.5.44 " Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-28 22:56 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-28 23:36 ` chris
2002-10-29 0:20 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-29 1:08 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-29 11:08 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-29 11:18 ` Chris Evans
2002-10-29 2:23 ` Andreas Gruenbacher [this message]
2002-10-29 11:09 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-29 11:35 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-10-29 12:04 ` __libc_enable_secure check (was: [PATCH][RFC] 2.5.44 (1/2): Filesystem capabilities kernel patch) Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-29 14:38 ` [PATCH][RFC] 2.5.44 (1/2): Filesystem capabilities kernel patch Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-20 0:24 ` [PATCH][RFC] 2.5.42 " Andreas Gruenbacher
2002-10-21 15:25 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-10-21 22:03 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
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