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From: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@unthought.net>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RAID-6
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:29:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021113122957.GE22407@unthought.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15825.51226.122496.604304@notabene.cse.unsw.edu.au>

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 02:33:46PM +1100, Neil Brown wrote:
...
> > The benchmark goes:
> > 
> > | some tests on raid5 with 4k and 128k chunk size. The results are as follows:
> > | Access Spec     4K(MBps)        4K-deg(MBps)    128K(MBps) 128K-deg(MBps)
> > | 2K Seq Read     23.015089       33.293993       25.415035  32.669278
> > | 2K Seq Write    27.363041       30.555328       14.185889  16.087862
> > | 64K Seq Read    22.952559       44.414774       26.02711   44.036993
> > | 64K Seq Write   25.171833       32.67759        13.97861   15.618126
> > 
> > So down from 27MB/sec to 14MB/sec running 2k-block sequential writes on
> > a 128k chunk array versus a 4k chunk array (non-degraded).
> 
> When doing sequential writes, a small chunk size means you are more
> likely to fill up a whole stripe before data is flushed to disk, so it
> is very possible that you wont need to pre-read parity at all.  With a
> larger chunksize, it is more likely that you will have to write, and
> possibly read, the parity block several times.

Except if one worked on 4k sub-chunks - right  ?   :)

> 
> So if you are doing single threaded sequential accesses, a smaller
> chunk size is definately better.

Definitely not so for reads - the seeking past the parity blocks ruin
sequential read performance when we do many such seeks (eg. when we have
small chunks) - as witnessed by the benchmark data above.

> If you are doing lots of parallel accesses (typical multi-user work
> load), small chunk sizes tends to mean that every access goes to all
> drives so there is lots of contention.  In theory a larger chunk size
> means that more accesses will be entirely satisfied from just one disk,
> so there it more opportunity for concurrency between the different
> users.
> 
> As always, the best way to choose a chunk size is develop a realistic
> work load and test it against several different chunk sizes.   There
> is no rule like "bigger is better" or "smaller is better".

For a single reader/writer, it was pretty obvious from the above that
"big is good" for reads (because of the fewer parity block skip seeks),
and "small is good" for writes.

So, by making a big chunk-sized array, and having it work on 4k
sub-chunks for writes, was some idea I had which I felt would just give
the best scenario in both cases.

Am I smoking crack, or ?  ;)

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-11-13 12:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-11 18:52 RAID-6 H. Peter Anvin
2002-11-11 21:06 ` RAID-6 Derek Vadala
2002-11-11 22:44 ` RAID-6 Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-11-11 23:05   ` RAID-6 H. Peter Anvin
2002-11-12 16:22 ` RAID-6 Jakob Oestergaard
2002-11-12 16:30   ` RAID-6 H. Peter Anvin
2002-11-12 19:01     ` RAID-6 H. Peter Anvin
2002-11-12 19:37   ` RAID-6 Neil Brown
2002-11-13  2:13     ` RAID-6 Jakob Oestergaard
2002-11-13  3:33       ` RAID-6 Neil Brown
2002-11-13 12:29         ` Jakob Oestergaard [this message]
2002-11-13 17:33           ` RAID-6 H. Peter Anvin
2002-11-13 18:07             ` RAID-6 Peter L. Ashford
2002-11-13 22:50             ` RAID-6 Neil Brown
2002-11-13 18:42           ` RAID-6 Peter L. Ashford
2002-11-13 22:48           ` RAID-6 Neil Brown
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.30.0211111138080.15590-100000@multivac.sdsc.edu>
2002-11-11 19:47 ` RAID-6 H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-11-13  9:05 Raid-6 Rebuild question Brad Campbell
2005-11-13 10:05 ` Neil Brown
2005-11-16 17:54   ` RAID-6 Bill Davidsen
2005-11-16 20:39     ` RAID-6 Dan Stromberg
2005-12-29 18:29       ` RAID-6 H. Peter Anvin

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