[parisc-linux] lifimage

[parisc-linux] lifimage

[Tim Kemna]

I want to use a serial console on my 712/80. To do that I need the "ISL"
prompt after booting. I read that the "ISL" prompt is included in a lifimage
called uxbootlf, which I downloaded.
But how do I use it?

Greetings,
Tim

RE: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[jsoe0708]

Hi Tim,

>I want to use a serial console on my 712/80. To do that I need the "ISL"=

>prompt after booting. I read that the "ISL" prompt is included in a lifi=
mage
>called uxbootlf, which I downloaded.
>But how do I use it?

The best would be refer to excelent:
<http://pateam.esiee.fr/parisc-linux-boot/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/index.=
html>

You would also certainly have to look for a tips to setup your console to=

be the serial device (it is not supported).

Cheers,
    Joel


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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Tim Kemna]

The HOWTO only says how to make a lifimage (with NFSROOT or RAMDISK). It
doesn't say how I should use it.

Tim

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> Hi Tim,
>
> >I want to use a serial console on my 712/80. To do that I need the "ISL"
> >prompt after booting. I read that the "ISL" prompt is included in a
lifimage
> >called uxbootlf, which I downloaded.
> >But how do I use it?
>
> The best would be refer to excelent:
>
<http://pateam.esiee.fr/parisc-linux-boot/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/index.htm
l>
>
> You would also certainly have to look for a tips to setup your console to
> be the serial device (it is not supported).
>
> Cheers,
>     Joel
>
>
>
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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Richard Hirst]

On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 10:02:56AM +0100, Tim Kemna wrote:
> The HOWTO only says how to make a lifimage (with NFSROOT or RAMDISK). It
> doesn't say how I should use it.

You can netboot it, or use dd to dump it to a spare scsi disk and boot
that disk, or write it to a cd (just the lifimage itself, not as a file
in a file system), and boot from that.  Personally I'd netboot it.

Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Thibaut VARENE]

Le lundi, 2 d=E9c 2002, =E0 10:02 Europe/Paris, Tim Kemna a =E9crit :

> The HOWTO only says how to make a lifimage (with NFSROOT or RAMDISK). =20=

> It
> doesn't say how I should use it.

http://pateam.esiee.fr/parisc-linux-boot/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/=20
bootnetwork.html


Thibaut VARENE
The PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://pateam.esiee.fr/=

Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[jsoe0708]

Hi all,
>
>Le lundi, 2 d=E9c 2002, =E0 10:02 Europe/Paris, Tim Kemna a =E9crit :
>
>> The HOWTO only says how to make a lifimage (with NFSROOT or RAMDISK).

>
>> It
>> doesn't say how I should use it.
>
>http://pateam.esiee.fr/parisc-linux-boot/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/ 
>bootnetwork.html
>
Sorry (it was in intention to mentionned this section but I forget)

Hmm there is also an interesting section:
<http://pateam.esiee.fr/parisc-linux-boot/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/consol=
es.html#serialconsole>

explaining "3.2.3.2.1. How can I change the boot console to serial on a
712?"

Cheers,
    Joel

PS: I used this method to install a b2k model (when ide cd did work yet)

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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Tim Kemna]

I need the lifimage to setup my console to be the serial device. So I can't
use netboot. Am I right?

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Onderwerp: Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage


> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 10:02:56AM +0100, Tim Kemna wrote:
> > The HOWTO only says how to make a lifimage (with NFSROOT or RAMDISK). It
> > doesn't say how I should use it.
>
> You can netboot it, or use dd to dump it to a spare scsi disk and boot
> that disk, or write it to a cd (just the lifimage itself, not as a file
> in a file system), and boot from that.  Personally I'd netboot it.
>
> Richard
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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Richard Hirst]

On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:13:50PM +0100, Tim Kemna wrote:
> I need the lifimage to setup my console to be the serial device. So I can't
> use netboot. Am I right?

This is a 712, right?  I guess you do need a working graphical console
in order to boot the lifimage and make the config change.  Do you not
have access to a PS/2 keyboard and (sync-on-green?) monitor for long
enough to do that?  My 17" iiyama monitor and a no-name 19" here work on
my 712.

Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Tim Kemna]

It is a 712 indeed. I do have a keyboard and a monitor, but I'm tired of
switching those between my pc and my 712. At the moment I also don't have
internet access on my 712. So I will try to make the change by booting the
lifimage from a cd.

Tim

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Verzonden: maandag 2 december 2002 17:52
Onderwerp: Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage


> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:13:50PM +0100, Tim Kemna wrote:
> > I need the lifimage to setup my console to be the serial device. So I
can't
> > use netboot. Am I right?
>
> This is a 712, right?  I guess you do need a working graphical console
> in order to boot the lifimage and make the config change.  Do you not
> have access to a PS/2 keyboard and (sync-on-green?) monitor for long
> enough to do that?  My 17" iiyama monitor and a no-name 19" here work on
> my 712.
>
> Richard
>
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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Tim Kemna]

I changed the console by booting de lifimage. The machine now boots without
a keyboard connected to it. Also when I push the power button it doesn't
turn off. So I'm pretty sure the console is now the serial device.

Now my problem is that I can't get any output. I'm using HyperTerminal 6.3
on windows 98. The settings are 9600 8-N-1. My serial cable is D9F/D9F.
Do I need to reboot the 712 every time I try to connect to it? Or can I just
plug the cable into another COM port and try again?

Greetings,
Tim

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Verzonden: maandag 2 december 2002 17:52
Onderwerp: Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage


> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:13:50PM +0100, Tim Kemna wrote:
> > I need the lifimage to setup my console to be the serial device. So I
can't
> > use netboot. Am I right?
>
> This is a 712, right?  I guess you do need a working graphical console
> in order to boot the lifimage and make the config change.  Do you not
> have access to a PS/2 keyboard and (sync-on-green?) monitor for long
> enough to do that?  My 17" iiyama monitor and a no-name 19" here work on
> my 712.
>
> Richard
>
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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Richard Hirst]

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 12:40:25PM +0100, Tim Kemna wrote:
> I changed the console by booting de lifimage. The machine now boots without
> a keyboard connected to it. Also when I push the power button it doesn't
> turn off. So I'm pretty sure the console is now the serial device.

Power button is completely unrelated to which console you are configured
for.  When things are working right, hitting the power button should
cause a clean shutdown of Linux followed by a power off.  Pretty neat.
There have been some issues in that area, but it worked for me last time
I tried.

> Now my problem is that I can't get any output. I'm using HyperTerminal 6.3
> on windows 98. The settings are 9600 8-N-1. My serial cable is D9F/D9F.
> Do I need to reboot the 712 every time I try to connect to it? Or can I just
> plug the cable into another COM port and try again?

You can move your serial cable while the system is up, no need to
reboot.

Do you mean no output, or do you mean you see kernel boot messages but
no login prompt?

If you see nothing at all, suspect your cable - may need a crossover
rather than 1:1 cable (or visaversa), or suspect your terminal emulator.

In any case, if you had this running on graphical console and have now
switched, you need to modify /etc/inittab to enable a getty on the
serial port.  Otherwise, no login prompt.

Even though you have switched conosles, inittab still sets up a getty on
the graphical console; plug your monitor and keyboard in as well, and
you can probably log in via that to fix /etc/inittab.  Assuming you can
be bothered to move your monitor and keyboard one more time ;-)
Otherwise, perhaps you can telnet or ssh in to it over the network.

Beware the keyboard is not designed for hotpluging, so to be absolutely
safe, you should move that with both systems powered off.

Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Tim Kemna]

I don't see any output at all. Does it matter which emulation mode I use? I
now use VT100.

Greetings,
Tim

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Verzonden: woensdag 4 december 2002 13:02
Onderwerp: Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage


> On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 12:40:25PM +0100, Tim Kemna wrote:
> > I changed the console by booting de lifimage. The machine now boots
without
> > a keyboard connected to it. Also when I push the power button it doesn't
> > turn off. So I'm pretty sure the console is now the serial device.
>
> Power button is completely unrelated to which console you are configured
> for.  When things are working right, hitting the power button should
> cause a clean shutdown of Linux followed by a power off.  Pretty neat.
> There have been some issues in that area, but it worked for me last time
> I tried.
>
> > Now my problem is that I can't get any output. I'm using HyperTerminal
6.3
> > on windows 98. The settings are 9600 8-N-1. My serial cable is D9F/D9F.
> > Do I need to reboot the 712 every time I try to connect to it? Or can I
just
> > plug the cable into another COM port and try again?
>
> You can move your serial cable while the system is up, no need to
> reboot.
>
> Do you mean no output, or do you mean you see kernel boot messages but
> no login prompt?
>
> If you see nothing at all, suspect your cable - may need a crossover
> rather than 1:1 cable (or visaversa), or suspect your terminal emulator.
>
> In any case, if you had this running on graphical console and have now
> switched, you need to modify /etc/inittab to enable a getty on the
> serial port.  Otherwise, no login prompt.
>
> Even though you have switched conosles, inittab still sets up a getty on
> the graphical console; plug your monitor and keyboard in as well, and
> you can probably log in via that to fix /etc/inittab.  Assuming you can
> be bothered to move your monitor and keyboard one more time ;-)
> Otherwise, perhaps you can telnet or ssh in to it over the network.
>
> Beware the keyboard is not designed for hotpluging, so to be absolutely
> safe, you should move that with both systems powered off.
>
> Richard
>

Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[jsoe0708]

>
>If you see nothing at all, suspect your cable - may need a crossover
>rather than 1:1 cable (or visaversa), or suspect your terminal emulator.=

>
I am pretty sure that you need commonly named null-modem (ie crossover)
serial cable.

I do have to check if I still have somewhere the cable layout (sorry not
at disposal right now). 
But thing absolutely sure to be check is that pin 2 & 3 must be crossed
between the 2 plugs.

hth,
    Joel

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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Richard Hirst]

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:16:20PM +0100, Tim Kemna wrote:
> I don't see any output at all. Does it matter which emulation mode I use? I
> now use VT100.

vt100 or similar (e.g. vt102) should be fine.

Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Randolph Chung]

> Now my problem is that I can't get any output. I'm using HyperTerminal 6.3
> on windows 98. The settings are 9600 8-N-1. My serial cable is D9F/D9F.

this is perhaps a dumb question, but are you sure your hyperterminal
settings are correct? i've had a hard time getting hyperterminal to act
as a serial console for anything, be it PCs, PA-RISC machines, Sun
servers, .... of course, that could just be me ;)

randolph
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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Derek Engelhaupt]

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It's just you....hehe...I've done it on risc boxes quite often from my laptop.  I prefer to use Reflections though.
derek
 Randolph Chung <randolph@tausq.org> wrote:> Now my problem is that I can't get any output. I'm using HyperTerminal 6.3
> on windows 98. The settings are 9600 8-N-1. My serial cable is D9F/D9F.

this is perhaps a dumb question, but are you sure your hyperterminal
settings are correct? i've had a hard time getting hyperterminal to act
as a serial console for anything, be it PCs, PA-RISC machines, Sun
servers, .... of course, that could just be me ;)

randolph
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Debian GNU/Linux Developer, hppa/ia64 ports
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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Tim Kemna]

I am pretty sure the settings are correct. Probably I'm using the wrong
cable.

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Verzonden: woensdag 4 december 2002 17:24
Onderwerp: Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage


> > Now my problem is that I can't get any output. I'm using HyperTerminal
6.3
> > on windows 98. The settings are 9600 8-N-1. My serial cable is D9F/D9F.
>
> this is perhaps a dumb question, but are you sure your hyperterminal
> settings are correct? i've had a hard time getting hyperterminal to act
> as a serial console for anything, be it PCs, PA-RISC machines, Sun
> servers, .... of course, that could just be me ;)
>
> randolph
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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Andrew Shugg]

Randolph Chung said:
> > Now my problem is that I can't get any output. I'm using HyperTerminal 6.3
> > on windows 98. The settings are 9600 8-N-1. My serial cable is D9F/D9F.
> 
> this is perhaps a dumb question, but are you sure your hyperterminal
> settings are correct? i've had a hard time getting hyperterminal to act
> as a serial console for anything, be it PCs, PA-RISC machines, Sun
> servers, .... of course, that could just be me ;)
> 
> randolph

Also, are you sure that HyperTerminal is looking at the right serial
port?  Can you stick a modem on it, see an 'OK' prompt, issue 'ATZ' etc?

Andrew.

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Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage

[Tim Kemna]

The problem was the serial cable. I borrowed a crossed one and that worked
right away.

Tim

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Onderwerp: Re: [parisc-linux] lifimage


> Randolph Chung said:
> > > Now my problem is that I can't get any output. I'm using HyperTerminal
6.3
> > > on windows 98. The settings are 9600 8-N-1. My serial cable is
D9F/D9F.
> >
> > this is perhaps a dumb question, but are you sure your hyperterminal
> > settings are correct? i've had a hard time getting hyperterminal to act
> > as a serial console for anything, be it PCs, PA-RISC machines, Sun
> > servers, .... of course, that could just be me ;)
> >
> > randolph
>
> Also, are you sure that HyperTerminal is looking at the right serial
> port?  Can you stick a modem on it, see an 'OK' prompt, issue 'ATZ' etc?
>
> Andrew.
>
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>
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