From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Joel Newkirk Subject: Re: Making this list more readable Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:59:30 -0500 Sender: netfilter-admin@lists.netfilter.org Message-ID: <200301082259.30059.netfilter@newkirk.us> References: Reply-To: netfilter@newkirk.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: In-Reply-To: Errors-To: netfilter-admin@lists.netfilter.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Carol Anne Ogdin Cc: netfilter@lists.netfilter.org On Wednesday 08 January 2003 09:02 pm, Carol Anne Ogdin wrote: > Thanks, Athan... > > I try to get it in digest so I can read it all at once at the end of > the day. When I was getting it message-by-message, I was finding > messages getting lost in my voracious spam-killing mode. I'm trying I get it msg-by-msg, and filter on "kashyyyk" to dump it all in a folder=20 by itself. (kashyyyk.netfilter.org is originating server, Kashyyyk=20 being Chewbacca's homeworld in Star Wars) Twenty or so filters, six=20 mailing lists, 10 email folders, 15 people with special handling (IE=20 forward to my mobile) and spam filters that catch about 85% of my 300 or=20 so per month. (All of those, until yesterday, come to the old email=20 address I've had for about 7 years) My email volume is quite low=20 compared to a few years ago, but at about 100 msgs a day it would still=20 be unbearable without automated presorting. > to learn iptables by watching how you experts help other folks' > questions. > > Question: Would anybody be interested in a more user-friendly > web-based solution for this list, so people could go back and read old > threads instead of posing the same questions over 'n' over again?=20 > I've got a free one available to me, if you'd like to try it. For anyone interested, I received my first piece of spam yesterday=20 addressed to netfilter@newkirk.us. (Nigerian 419 Fraud, of all things!=20 Already forwarded to US Secret Service 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov=20 subject=3DNoLoss They like collecting those things :^) Since I only use= =20 that addy on this list and derivative conversations, there's only two=20 possibly ways it could have happened. Either a subscriber harvested=20 addy's or forwarded a message to someone who did, or (far more likely)=20 someone harvested from the list archives. WHY oh WHY aren't email=20 addresses mangled or obscured on the publicly accessible archives? This=20 seems a fairly basic precaution given the exponential growth of 'the=20 spam problem' lately. Yes, Yes, I know all about filtering spam, but=20 why invite it to begin with? "google netfilter@newkirk.us" finds about=20 130 hits, divided among securepoint.com, netfilter.org and spinics.net -=20 all publicly accessible archives of the list. No other hits, just=20 archives. Back to your question, the archive at msgs.securepoint.com/netfilter/=20 offers search capability, but apparently only keeps current and previous=20 month postings around. I think (at least I hope :^) that the majority=20 of the "already asked a dozen times" questions come from people who are=20 either not on the list, or recently joined. Likely the only way search=20 facility would be useful to them (and reduce repeat questions) is if it=20 is in their faces _before_ they are in a position to actually post. IE,=20 if netfilter.org presented a search option right on the same page as the=20 submission and subscription info. If you set up a search it might help=20 /us/ out, but I suspect that it wouldn't head off too many repeats. > --Carol Anne > Carol Anne Ogdin > http://www.net-working.com > 530/295-3657 > Deep Woods Technology, Inc. > http://www.deepwoods.com > CAOgdin@deepwoods.com > Leveraging technology to restore the soul of the organization j ps - I really hope that if someone harvests THIS message they extract the= =20 email address in that middle paragraph and start spamming it. Should=20 set some interesting reactions in motion... :^)