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From: Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Matthew Dharm <mdharm-scsi@one-eyed-alien.net>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.name>,
	Luben Tuikov <luben@splentec.com>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	Mike Anderson <andmike@us.ibm.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Linux SCSI list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:58:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030124175856.GD26736@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0301241026060.821-100000@ida.rowland.org>

On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 10:34:11AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Matthew Dharm wrote:
> 
> > What I want:
> > 
> > I want to be able to free resources associated with a device within a
> > finite (and well bounded) amount of time after I am notified that the
> > device is gone.
> > 
> > I want to be able to inform the SCSI mid-layer, which will then inform
> > higher layers, that the device is gone.  This is so that all may deal with
> > this however they want.  I really don't care who does what, as long as we
> > don't crash.  This implies that all block-type drivers will need to become
> > hotplug aware, or the SCSI mid-layer will have to fake command failures.
> > 
> > I want to be able to do as little command-trickery as possible.  If I have
> > to do it, then that means the next hotplug-capable LLDD must do it also.
> > Duplication of code is bad -- it should all be handled in the mid-layer.
> 
> Matt's current proposed patch has the USB LLDD calling
> scsi_unregister_host()  (because the device is respresented as an emulated
> host adapter) when it learns that the device is gone.  Provided that
> routine doesn't block for very long, provided it handles all the details
> of hotplug notifications, and provided it guarantees that after it returns
> there will be no more calls to the emulated adapter,

There is no such guarantee of this.  Last I checked, 
scsi_unregister_host() can fail if devices are busy.  In fact, I would say 
that's exactly what happened on my system when I unplugged a USB2.0 CD-ROM 
that was in use.  The USB stack called this code, it failed due to busy, 
USB stack didn't care and blew state away, I knew have a permanent CD-ROM 
device that I can no longer clean up and I had to reboot my machine.

> I don't see any
> problem.  The LLDD can go ahead and remove all records of the former
> device, secure in the knowledge that all pointers to data structures and
> entry points have been erased.
> 
> Isn't this exactly what everyone has been asking for and debating about?
> 
> Alan Stern
> 

-- 
  Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>     919-754-3700 x44233
         Red Hat, Inc. 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-01-24 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <10426732153816@kroah.com>
     [not found] ` <10426732212871@kroah.com>
     [not found]   ` <20030116093112.B29001@one-eyed-alien.net>
     [not found]     ` <20030116173539.GA31235@kroah.com>
2003-01-16 19:43       ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58 Matthew Dharm
2003-01-16 19:53         ` Greg KH
     [not found]         ` <20030116195306.GA32697@kroah.com>
2003-01-16 20:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-01-16 20:43             ` greg kh
2003-01-16 21:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-01-16 22:51             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-16 20:40           ` David Brownell
2003-01-16 20:48             ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-16 23:43               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17  8:50                 ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-17 10:55                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 15:06                     ` Alan Stern
2003-01-17 18:54                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-17 20:25                       ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-17 22:07                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 20:26                       ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-17 20:49                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-20 17:36                       ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 18:23                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 18:56                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 19:10                             ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 19:50                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-21  3:31                           ` Alan
2003-01-21  7:17                             ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 11:57                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Douglas Gilbert
2003-01-21 13:48                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 18:22                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 13:30                             ` James Bottomley
2003-01-20 20:08                         ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 20:48                           ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 21:24                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 21:51                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-01-20 22:26                                 ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 23:00                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21  0:44                                     ` David Brownell
2003-01-21  0:50                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 18:16                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 19:00                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-21 20:02                                             ` [linux-usb-devel] " Luben Tuikov
2003-01-21 21:02                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-01-22 21:50                                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-22 22:46                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 17:46                                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-23 18:19                                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 19:07                                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-23 19:40                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 20:28                                                             ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 20:59                                                               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 21:34                                                                 ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 22:39                                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-23 23:23                                                                     ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-23 23:25                                                                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-24 15:34                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-01-24 16:06                                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-24 17:58                                                                         ` Doug Ledford [this message]
2003-01-24 19:00                                                                         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 22:23                                                                           ` Oliver.Neukum
2003-01-24 19:10                                                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 19:56                                                                         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2003-01-24 20:11                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 21:09                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 21:55                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2003-01-24 22:03                                                                               ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24 23:21                                                                               ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 21:48                                                                       ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-24 22:59                                                                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 23:17                                                                           ` [linux-usb-devel] " Doug Ledford
2003-01-25  0:24                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-25  1:35                                                                             ` Mike Anderson
2003-01-24 23:25                                                                         ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  0:05                                                                           ` Doug Ledford
2003-01-25  0:45                                                                             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  1:07                                                                               ` Doug Ledford
2003-02-02 18:13                                                                                 ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-02 20:06                                                                                   ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-03 17:17                                                                                     ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-16 21:18                                                                                       ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-17 19:37                                                                                         ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-17 19:51                                                                                           ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-02-23  7:48                                                                                           ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-26 23:37                                                                                             ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-27  1:10                                                                                               ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-27  6:37                                                                                                 ` Mike Anderson
2003-02-27 19:32                                                                                                   ` Matthew Dharm
2003-03-01  1:41                                                                                                     ` Matthew Dharm
2003-02-02  3:49                                                                             ` Matthew Dharm
2003-01-25  1:24                                                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-24  0:15                                                               ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-01-24  8:33                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-01-23 20:41                                                         ` A different look at block device hotswap in the Linux kernel Steven Dake
2003-01-23 21:07                                                           ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-23 21:06                                                             ` Steven Dake
2003-01-23 21:16                                                               ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  0:07                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-24  0:21                                                             ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  7:53                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-01-24 15:26                                                                 ` Matthew Jacob
2003-01-24  0:54                                                             ` Steven Dake
2003-01-24  2:35                                                               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Matthew Dharm
2003-01-22 21:30                                           ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.58 David Brownell
2003-01-20 22:16                           ` Luben Tuikov
2003-01-20 22:51                             ` David Brownell
2003-01-20 23:27                               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-01-22 12:07 Bennie J. Venter

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