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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Mark Hahn <hahn@physics.mcmaster.ca>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:24:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030222202428.GE10411@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030222195642.GI1407@work.bitmover.com>

On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 11:56:42AM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> Err, here's a news flash.  Dell has just one server with more than
> 4 CPUS and it tops out at 8.  Everything else is clusters.  And they
> call any machine that doesn't have a head a server, they have servers
> starting $299.  Yeah, that's right, $299.
> http://www.dell.com/us/en/bsd/products/series_pedge_servers.htm

Sounds like low-capacity boxen meant to minimize colocation costs via
rackspace minimization.


On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 11:56:42AM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> How much do you want to bet that more than 95% of their server revenue
> comes from 4CPU or less boxes?  I wouldn't be surprised if it is more
> like 99.5%.  And you can configure yourself a pretty nice quad xeon box
> for $25K.  Yeah, there is some profit in there but nowhere near the huge
> margins you are counting on to make your case.

Ask their marketing dept. or something. I can maximize utility
integrals and find Nash equilibria, but can't tell you Dell's secrets.


-- wli

  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-22 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 289+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302221417120.2686-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found] ` <1510000.1045942974@[10.10.2.4]>
2003-02-22 19:56   ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 20:24     ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-02-22 21:02     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 22:06       ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-22 22:17         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 23:28           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:47             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23  0:09             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23  8:01               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-23  8:05                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 18:36             ` Andy Pfiffer
2003-02-22 22:44         ` Ben Greear
2003-02-23 23:29           ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-23 23:37             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  4:57               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  6:10                 ` Gerhard Mack
2003-02-24  6:52                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  7:46                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  7:44                 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  7:54                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24  8:00                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  8:40                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24  8:50                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 16:17                           ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 23:13                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 23:27                               ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 23:54                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 23:54                                   ` yodaiken
2003-02-25  2:17                                 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:24                                   ` yodaiken
2003-02-25  2:35                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:43                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:32                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  2:40                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  5:24                                   ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-25 15:30                                   ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 14:59                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 15:44                                       ` yodaiken
2003-02-26 19:31                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-27  0:56                                     ` Bill Huey
2003-02-27 20:04                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-25  2:07                             ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:14                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  2:24                                 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25  2:46                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-25 14:47                                     ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-02-25 15:59                                       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-24  8:56                         ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  9:09                           ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24  9:24                             ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24  9:56                               ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24 10:11                                 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 14:40                           ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24 21:10                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-24  8:43                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 23:10         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 23:20           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:46             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  2:19         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-25  3:49           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  5:12             ` Steven Cole
2003-02-25 20:37               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 21:36                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-25 23:28                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 23:41                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-26  0:19                       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-26  0:35                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-26 16:31                           ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26  0:47                       ` Steven Cole
2003-02-26 16:07                       ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26 19:47                         ` Alan Cox
2003-02-26  6:04                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-02-26  0:44                 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 23:58                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-22 23:15       ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:23         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-22 23:54           ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-22 23:44         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  4:56           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  5:06             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24  6:00               ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-24  6:02                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 15:06               ` Alan Cox
2003-02-24 23:18                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24  5:16             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  6:58               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  7:39                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 16:17                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 16:49                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  0:41                       ` Server shipments [was Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call] Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  0:41                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  0:54                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  2:00                             ` Tupshin Harper
2003-02-25  3:54                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  3:00                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  3:13                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  4:11                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  4:17                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  4:21                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25  4:37                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 22:02                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-25 23:19                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 23:46                                         ` Gerhard Mack
2003-02-26  4:23                                           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-26  5:05                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26  5:27                                             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-02-26  9:36                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-26 12:09                                               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-26 16:42                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-02-25 17:37                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25  1:09                           ` David Lang
2003-02-24 18:22                     ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call John W. M. Stevens
2003-02-24  7:51                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 15:47                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 16:00                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 16:23                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-24 16:25                       ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 18:20                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-25  1:51                           ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call - publishing performance data Craig Thomas
2003-02-24 16:31                       ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 23:36                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25  0:23                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  2:37                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-25  4:42                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25  4:54                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  6:00                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25  7:00                               ` Val Henson
2003-02-24 13:28                 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25  5:19                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25  5:26                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 21:21                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 21:14                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:21                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:08                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 22:10                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:37                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 22:58                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25  6:17                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 17:11                       ` Cliff White
2003-02-25 17:17                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 17:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-25 19:54                           ` Dave Jones
2003-02-26  2:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-25 19:48                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:28                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 19:20                     ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 19:59                     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 20:18                       ` jlnance
2003-02-25 20:59                         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 21:19                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 21:38                         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-24 18:44                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-02-22 23:57         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-23 23:57         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24  6:22           ` Val Henson
2003-02-24  6:41             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:29     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-24  2:04 linux
2003-02-24  2:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  3:28   ` David Lang
2003-02-26  5:30     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-02-26  5:42       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26  7:22         ` David Lang
2003-02-27 17:50       ` Daniel Egger
2003-02-27 18:25         ` David Lang
2003-02-28  8:58           ` Filip Van Raemdonck
2003-02-28 19:48           ` Arador
2003-03-01  0:51             ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-03-01  1:14               ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-01  1:27               ` David Lang
2003-03-01 14:15                 ` Daniel Egger
2003-02-24  4:42   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  4:58     ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-21 23:48 Hanna Linder
2003-02-22  0:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22  0:25   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22  2:24     ` Steven Cole
2003-02-22  0:44   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22  2:47     ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22  4:32       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22  5:05         ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22  6:39           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22  8:38             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-22 22:18               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23  0:50                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 11:22                   ` Magnus Danielson
2003-02-23 19:54                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23  1:17                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23  5:21                   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23  8:07                     ` David Lang
2003-02-23  8:20                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 19:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 19:29                           ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 20:13                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 22:01                               ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:12                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 21:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 22:40                               ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:48                                 ` David Lang
2003-02-23 22:54                                   ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:56                                     ` David Lang
2003-02-24  0:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  2:32                                       ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24  2:54                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  3:08                                           ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 21:42                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-24  1:06                                     ` dean gaudet
2003-02-24  1:56                                       ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24  2:15                                         ` dean gaudet
2003-02-24  3:11                                           ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 23:06                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 23:59                                   ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24  3:49                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-24  4:07                                       ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24  4:34                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24  5:02                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 20:21                           ` Xavier Bestel
2003-02-23 20:50                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 23:57                               ` Alan Cox
2003-02-24  1:26                                 ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-02-24  1:53                                   ` dean gaudet
2003-02-23 21:35                             ` Alan Cox
2003-02-23 21:41                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  0:01                             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24  0:36                             ` yodaiken
2003-02-23 21:15                           ` John Bradford
2003-02-23 21:45                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24  1:25                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23 21:55                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 19:13                       ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 23:28                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-26  8:46                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23 20:48                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23  9:37                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22  8:38             ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22  8:38           ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22 14:34             ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 15:47               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:13                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 16:29                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:33                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 16:39                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:59                         ` John Bradford
2003-02-24 18:00                   ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-22  8:32   ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22 18:20   ` Alan Cox
2003-02-22 20:05     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:35       ` Alan Cox
2003-02-22 21:36     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-22 21:42       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-23 23:23       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24  3:31         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-24  4:02           ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24  4:15             ` Russell Leighton
2003-02-24  5:11             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24  8:07             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-23  0:37   ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23  0:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23 14:29   ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-23 17:28     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-24  1:42       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23  3:24 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-25 17:17   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 17:43     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 17:59       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 18:04         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 18:50         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 19:18           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 19:27             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 20:30               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 20:53                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:17                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 21:12                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 22:16                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 22:17                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 22:37                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 21:26                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:18                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-26  5:24                       ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-26  5:38                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26  6:01                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-26  6:14                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26  6:32                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26 16:02                             ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-27  3:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-02-25 20:10             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 20:23               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 20:46                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 20:52                   ` Andrea Arcangeli

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