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From: Chris Cheney <ccheney@cheney.cx>
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Cc: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>,
	Travis Crump <pretzalz@techhouse.org>,
	Marcel Weber <mmweber@ncpro.com>,
	Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	Vitaly Fertman <vitaly@namesys.com>,
	reiserfs-list@namesys.com, debian-testing@lists.debian.org,
	Ed Boraas <ed@debian.org>
Subject: Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:06:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030419230654.GF26352@cheney.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030419162557.U26054@schatzie.adilger.int>

On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 04:25:57PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2003  16:55 -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> > > all that was removed was *code* that gets compiled.  If the maintainer 
> > > cannot arbitrarily change any code he wants, then it is not clear that 
> > > the program is DFSG-free.
> > 
> > Amen. Making part of the code immutable is not what I call free
> > software. What if I want to use parts of the code and I respect the
> > copyright and license...does that mean I also have to take this part of
> > the code and output the credits? What if environment doesn't provide a
> > way to output the credits. What if I am implementing the reiser tools on
> > an embedded system that will never show any such output?
> 
> I'm sure all the FSF/Debian folks would be thrilled if someone changed the
> code in [x]emacs to not output anything about the GPL at startup, or if vim
> didn't include any info about helping Ugandan orphans.

First of all emacs is pure bloat so who cares what it does... Vim has
one line about Ugandan orphans at startup, until now I didn't even
notice it was there. If had been pages of crap like what is spewed from
mkfs.reiserfs it would have probably been removed as well, unless it
was against Vim's license, which happens not to be GPL. As far as I can
tell if it annoyed someone enough it is legal under Vim's license to 
remove the Uganda message as well, they only require the license text
itself to remain with the application.  A GPLv3 allowing spamware would
be very annoying, I hope it doesn't happen. If anything this stupid
reiserfs spamware should be spewed before the program runs, not after,
so that the user can see what actually occured without having to scroll
back up, which depending on their console type might be difficult.

Chris

  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-19 23:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-18 12:04 reiserfsck infinite loop at pass2 (built by Debian) Vitaly Fertman
2003-04-18 15:10 ` Dieter Nützel
2003-04-18 15:11   ` Oleg Drokin
2003-04-18 15:26     ` Dieter Nützel
2003-04-18 15:27       ` Oleg Drokin
2003-04-19 16:07 ` plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian Hans Reiser
2003-04-19 17:29   ` Ben Collins
2003-04-19 18:40     ` Jarno Elonen
2003-04-19 19:24     ` Matt Ryan
2003-04-19 20:56       ` Ben Collins
2003-04-20 19:39         ` Matt Ryan
2003-04-19 18:02   ` Marcel Weber
2003-04-19 19:05     ` Travis Crump
2003-04-19 20:55       ` Ben Collins
2003-04-19 21:13         ` Anders Widman
2003-04-19 21:09           ` Ben Collins
2003-04-19 22:25         ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-19 23:06           ` Chris Cheney [this message]
2003-04-20  0:49             ` Marcel Weber
2003-04-20  3:41               ` Glenn Maynard
2003-04-20  6:17                 ` Manuel Krause
2003-04-20  6:44                   ` Manuel Krause
2003-04-22  2:28                 ` Anthony DeRobertis
2003-04-23 15:17                   ` Hans Reiser
2003-04-23 15:35                     ` Anthony DeRobertis
2003-04-23 20:10                     ` Adam Heath
2003-04-21  6:03       ` Oleg Drokin
2003-04-21  8:47         ` Yury Umanets
2003-04-19 18:30   ` Florian Weimer
2003-04-19 20:51     ` Lukas Geyer
2003-04-19 23:24       ` Wouter Verhelst
2003-04-21 18:49         ` Walter Landry
2003-04-22  1:15         ` Brian M. Carlson
2003-04-21 13:22     ` bscott
2003-04-20  1:18   ` Matt Zimmerman
2003-04-20  1:20     ` Matt Zimmerman
2003-04-20 11:42   ` Marcelo E. Magallon

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