From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262239AbTD1AId (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:08:33 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262272AbTD1AId (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:08:33 -0400 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net ([24.153.64.115]:44325 "EHLO smtp-out.comcast.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262239AbTD1AIa (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:08:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:19:18 -0400 From: rmoser Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] In-reply-to: <20030428001001.GP23068@work.bitmover.com> To: Larry McVoy Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Message-id: <200304272019180940.02E10D10@smtp.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030427185037.GA23581@work.bitmover.com> <20030427235345.GN23068@work.bitmover.com> <200304272000230850.02CFBA48@smtp.comcast.net> <20030428001001.GP23068@work.bitmover.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org No need to get indignant. Just that these messages generally go: You're copying things, you're breaking the law, you're going to be nailed Well what are we going to do about it? Stop! We can't we ahve to make this work with that. Do it some other way you're doing foo bar baz We are not foo! Define bar and wtf is baz? Bar is biz, baz is delta, your economic model is flawed, you can't think, you're stupid ..... Or something like that. I mean it's ignorable for a while but God, like I can't find 10 contiguous messages from the past 2 days (I signed on on friday) that doesn't include this thread. The past few hours have it where it's trouble finding a group of 10 messages where less than 8 are this thread. It's just getting excessive. I'm expecting to see Shut up moron! Hah! Call me a moron 2!$*head? You can't code worth balls! Can't code? I'll show you you ba@$!4%! ...... some time soon --Bluefox Icy *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/27/2003 at 5:10 PM Larry McVoy wrote: >Jeeze, buddy, sorry to waste your time. I'll go kill myself now. >Not. Get a life. If you don't like a thread, kill it. If you >don't like me, add me to your procmailrc. But since I've been >around working on Linux and stuff that predates Linux by about >10 years or so, maybe I'll just post whatever the heck I feel >like and if you don't like it, well, gosh, darn, I'm sooooo >sorry I've wasted your time, but I really could care less. >I certainly hope that's OK with you, but if not, oh, darn. > >On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 08:00:23PM -0400, rmoser wrote: >> Just some clarification, this thread is generating excessive traffic. >> Is this actually a useful topic, or are you just having a flamewar? >> If it's just a big argument, can you stop? Like, get your own list, >> put all the participants on it, and flame there. >> >> If it's relavent, then get to the point. >> >> --Bluefox Icy >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 4/27/2003 at 4:53 PM Larry McVoy wrote: >> >> >On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 11:51:58PM +0100, Matthew Kirkwood wrote: >> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Larry McVoy wrote: >> >> >> >> Please excuse the aggressive trimming, but I don't think I'm >> >> affecting the intent of your works. >> > >> >I agree, what you did is fine, great in fact. Thanks. >> > >> >> > 1) Corporations are threatened when people copy their content >> >and/or >> >> > products. >> >> >> >> I think that the word "copy" may be a significant cause >> >> of artificial disagreement here. I, for one, find it just >> >> as misleading as "free" (is it as-in-beer or as-in-speech?). >> >> >> >> Larry -- would you be willing, in future postings of this >> >> nature, to distinguish "duplicate" and "reimplement"? >> > >> >A very good point, you're right. And it's worse because I use "copying" >> >to mean two different things depending on context. >> > >> >To clarify: in general, when I'm talking about copying, what I mean >depends >> >on whether I'm talking about content or software programs. For content, >> >copying means the act of generating a new copy of the content (copying >> >mp3 files via Napster like services, for example). For programs, which >> >is usually what I'm talking about, I mean the act of sitting down and >> >trying to make a new program which does the same thing as the old >program. >> > >> >I think some people may think that I mean redistribution when I say >> >copying and I almost never am talking about that. >> >-- >> >--- >> >Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com >> >http://www.bitmover.com/lm >> >- >> >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" >in >> >the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >> >More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> >Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" >in >> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > >-- >--- >Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm