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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: "Mudama, Eric" <eric_mudama@maxtor.com>
Cc: "'Jens Axboe'" <axboe@suse.de>, Oleg Drokin <green@namesys.com>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
	lkhelp@rekl.yi.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.5.69, IDE TCQ can't be enabled
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:42:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030512194243.GC10089@gtf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <785F348679A4D5119A0C009027DE33C102E0D31A@mcoexc04.mlm.maxtor.com>

On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 11:58:10AM -0600, Mudama, Eric wrote:
> The only difference between SATA TCQ and PATA TCQ is that in PATA TCQ, the
> drive doesn't report the active tag bitmap back to the host after each
> command.  Other than that they are functionally identical to my
> understanding.  (Yes, there are options like first-party DMA, but these are
> not requirements)

That's from the "drive side."  From the OS side, the ideal
implementation isn't here yet :)

Ideally there is a DMA ring of taskfiles and scatterlists.  The OS
(producer) queues these up asynchrously, and the host+devices
(consumer) executes the taskfiles in the ring.  AHCI does this.

With PATA TCQ, we only have a single scatterlist, and are forced to
have more OS-side infrastructure for command queueing, processing, etc.

As an aside, as drives and hosts get faster, we will actually want
_fewer_ interrupts (i.e. interrupt coalescing).

All this points to making the host smarter.
The drives are already pretty damn smart ;-)

	Jeff




  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-05-12 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-12 17:58 2.5.69, IDE TCQ can't be enabled Mudama, Eric
2003-05-12 18:59 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-12 19:42 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-13 20:43 Mudama, Eric
2003-05-13 20:31 Mudama, Eric
2003-05-13 20:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-05-13 20:28 Mudama, Eric
2003-05-12 19:19 Mudama, Eric
2003-05-12 19:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-12 19:42   ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-12 19:44     ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-12 19:53     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-13  6:40       ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 18:00         ` Dave Jones
2003-05-13 18:03           ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 18:05             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-13 18:06               ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 18:13                 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 18:42                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-13 20:29                     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-05-14  7:04                       ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-14  7:15                     ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 20:03                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-05-13 22:55                     ` Alan Cox
2003-05-13 18:03           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-14 13:30           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-05-12 22:36     ` Christer Weinigel
2003-05-13  6:41       ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 20:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-05-10  1:38 lkhelp
2003-05-12 12:46 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-05-12 12:55   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-05-12 13:16     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-12 13:12       ` Alan Cox
2003-05-13 15:39         ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-12 13:22       ` Oleg Drokin
2003-05-12 13:23         ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-12 13:35           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-12 13:30         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-12 13:22       ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 15:32       ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 17:25         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-05-13 17:28           ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-13 18:46             ` Oliver Neukum
2003-05-13 19:06               ` Jens Axboe

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