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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	andrea@kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com.br>
Subject: Re: log-buf-len dynamic
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:45:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030924034552.GB7887@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309232327490.15940-100000@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com>

On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 11:31:05PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Larry McVoy wrote:
> 
> > Yeah.  I'm using the Linux VM.  And it _still_ isn't up to what I managed
> > to accomplish in SunOS.  Wake up, dude.  You aren't the first one to
> > work in this area, you are just one of the first to work in this area
> > without learning from the people who came before you.  Don't believe me?
> > Go to OLS and read the papers.  Then read the OS research that has
> > happened in the last 20 years or so.  So far you are still catching up.
> 
> Bad example ;)
> 
> While it is true that the Linux VM doesn't do a whole
> lot of the things a VM should do, there is also the
> fact that the VM problem space has gotten a lot harder
> over the last decade due to the fact that the size of
> disk and memory has grown way faster than the speed of
> disk and memory.

Oh, I agree.  The problem space changes and you have to move with it.  
I was just pointing out that by not learning from others you put yourself
at a disadvantage.  There are a lot of bright minds in the Linux space,
there is no question of that.  But they would do so much better if they
understood the past.  The past holds a lot of information, ignoring it
is a disadvantage.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy              lm at bitmover.com          http://www.bitmover.com/lm

  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-24  3:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20030923142706.54b2428a.davem@redhat.com>
2003-09-23 21:53 ` log-buf-len dynamic Linus Torvalds
2003-09-23 22:15   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 22:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24  0:36       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24  1:19         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-24  2:04           ` andrea
2003-09-24  2:29             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-24  2:39               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24  3:16                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-24  3:31                   ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-24  3:45                     ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-09-24  3:54                       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24  4:12                         ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-24 21:11                           ` yodaiken
2003-09-24 13:09                       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-24 18:56                         ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-24  3:46                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24  4:02                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-24  4:06                     ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-24  2:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24  2:48               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24  3:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24  3:28                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24  3:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24  3:56                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24  4:26                         ` viro
2003-09-24  3:42                     ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-24  3:11                 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-24 14:43               ` Roman Zippel
2003-09-25  4:08                 ` Miles Bader
2003-09-25  4:20                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-25 17:15               ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-25 17:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-25 17:57                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-25 18:22                   ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-25 18:33                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-09-25 18:36                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 19:02                       ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-25 19:41                         ` OT go to gnu-arch-users for these matters (Re: log-buf-len dynamic) Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-25 18:28                   ` log-buf-len dynamic Charles Cazabon
2003-09-25 18:29                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 20:15                       ` David Lang
2003-09-25 20:27                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-29  8:56                       ` Rob Landley
2003-09-29 11:24                         ` John Bradford
2003-09-29 12:30                           ` Rob Landley
2003-09-29 15:22                             ` John Bradford
2003-09-29 13:20                           ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-29 13:23                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-29 15:03                             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-29 18:21                           ` Hua Zhong
2003-09-29 15:07                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 19:23                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-25 17:31                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-09-25 19:28                   ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-25 17:36                 ` Dave Jones
2003-09-25 18:34                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 18:35                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-25 18:49                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 20:02                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-25 23:36                   ` Pau Aliagas
2003-09-26  2:25                 ` Miles Bader
2003-09-26  4:38                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-26 17:09                 ` John Goerzen
2003-09-24  7:56       ` Pau Aliagas
2003-09-26 13:24 Samium Gromoff
2003-09-26 14:49 ` viro
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-25 19:43 Mudama, Eric
2003-09-24 17:39 Ken Ryan
2003-09-22 19:48 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23  1:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-09-23 21:08   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23  4:28 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 12:49   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 14:06     ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 14:44       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 15:01         ` Jan Evert van Grootheest
2003-09-23 15:41           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 16:09             ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 16:26               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 16:56             ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2003-09-23 17:40               ` Tom Zanussi
2003-09-23 17:53                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 21:37                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-23 22:22                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24  0:15                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-24  0:38                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 16:06           ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 16:23             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 19:02               ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 22:34                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 23:29                   ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 23:48                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 23:50                       ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 12:46 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-09-25 13:40 ` marcelo
2003-09-26 20:26   ` Andrea Arcangeli

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