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From: "J.A. Magallon" <jamagallon@able.es>
To: Krishna Akella <akellak@onid.orst.edu>
Cc: Paul Jakma <paul@clubi.ie>,
	kartikey bhatt <kartik_me@hotmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Can't X be elemenated?
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:51:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030930215157.GA4423@werewolf.able.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309301209590.19804-100000@shell> (from akellak@onid.orst.edu on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 21:30:13 +0200)


On 09.30, Krishna Akella wrote:
> Definitely, having the kernel support the GUI features is bad idea IMHO.
> but, What X lacks is a _standard_ toolkit, _complete_ widgetset for developers.
> We have
> acrobat using Motif distributed along with the reader, xfig "needing"
> preinstalled Motif, Xaw using Athena, Gnome apps using gtk, KDE apps using
> QT... and so on. Moreover, there is no standard interface for
> communication between these apps using myriad toolkits. And all of this is
> a duplication of effort that can be totally avoided.
> 
> As an app programmer, one is always faced with the question, "which
> toolkit do I use?". And there is never an easy answer. I guess its high
> time for ppl to realize this. If any thing, this is definitely one thing
> thats slowing down the acceptance of Linux as a Desktop OS.
> 

You can even choose a toolkit that goes beyond Linux:

http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html
http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/gnome/
http://www.software.hp.com/products/GNOME/

And the same happens with Qt, I suppose.
Nowadays motif is used just for portability between Linux and other systems,
like IRIX or HPUX,
but it looks like the 'other' are moving to Gnome or KDE. So in a few years acrobat
will use gtk or qt, many oldies like xfig will be superceded by new apps,
and you real standards will be GTK and Qt.

And about interoperability, take a look at:

http://freedesktop.org/

-- 
J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()able!es>     \                 Software is like sex:
werewolf!able!es                         \           It's better when it's free
Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (Cooker) for i586
Linux 2.4.23-pre5-jam1 (gcc 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2 3.3.1-2mdk))

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-30 21:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-29 14:44 Can't X be elemenated? kartikey bhatt
2003-09-29 14:51 ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-09-29 15:05   ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-09-29 15:10 ` Erik Hensema
2003-09-29 15:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-29 20:56 ` George France
2003-09-29 21:04   ` Erik Bourget
2003-09-29 21:16   ` Erik Steffl
2003-09-29 21:11 ` Diego Calleja García
2003-09-29 22:30 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-30  8:18 ` [OT ]Re: " Helge Hafting
2003-09-30 18:48 ` Paul Jakma
2003-09-30 19:30   ` Krishna Akella
2003-09-30 20:21     ` David Lang
2003-09-30 20:46       ` Krishna Akella
2003-09-30 20:45         ` David Lang
2003-10-07  4:04       ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-07  8:23         ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2003-10-07 12:18           ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-07 12:46             ` [OT] " Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2003-10-07 12:52             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-10-07 14:34               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-07 14:47             ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-07 15:37               ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-07 19:07                 ` David Lang
2003-10-07 19:16                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-07 20:09                   ` jlnance
2003-10-07 18:52             ` David Lang
2003-09-30 21:51     ` J.A. Magallon [this message]
2003-10-01 14:54     ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-01  8:27   ` John Bradford
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-29 19:45 kartikey bhatt
2003-09-30  8:09 kartikey bhatt
2003-09-30  9:25 ` Matti Aarnio
2003-09-30  9:54 ` Paul Rolland
2003-09-30 13:34 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-09-30 17:50 kartikey bhatt
2003-10-01  4:32 kartikey bhatt
2003-10-01  5:00 ` Tupshin Harper
2003-10-01 15:12 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-01 18:27 ` Tomasz Rola
2003-10-02  8:57 ` Helge Hafting
2003-10-02 18:18   ` Herbert Poetzl
2003-10-03 14:30     ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-02 18:37   ` Erik Steffl
     [not found] <BGWr.3eL.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-01  8:19 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau

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