From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Cc: andersen@codepoet.org,
"Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hps@intermeta.de>,
Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]]
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:05:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031005010521.GA21138@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200310041952.09186.rob@landley.net>
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 07:52:09PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> On Monday 15 September 2003 00:57, Erik Andersen wrote:
> > On Mon Sep 15, 2003 at 12:17:37AM +0000, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> > > Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org> writes:
> > > >When you are done making noise, please explain how a closed
> > > >source binary only product that runs within the context of the
> > > >Linux kernel is not a derivitive work and therefore not subject
> > > >to the terms of the GPL, per the definition given in the kernel
> > > >COPYING file that grants you your limited rights for copying,
> > > >distribution and modification.
> > >
> > > "Because Linus said so".
> >
> > It does not say "Because Linus said so" in the Linux kernel
> > COPYING file, which is the only official document that grants
> > legal permission to copy, distribute and/or modify the kernel.
>
> Linus clearly and publicly stated his position on binary only kernel modules
> almost exactly one year ago:
Yeah, but Linus stating his position about a license doesn't mean diddly.
The kernel is licensed under a license, that license is a contract that
people enter into. To the extent that it is enforceable, that license
determines what happens, Linus can't retroactively decide to interpret
the license a different way. The license can't enforce things which
the law doesn't allow. In particular, the law understands a concept of
a boundary. And Linus' comments notwithstanding, modules are a pretty
clear boundary. Even the GPL acks this, it knows that anything which
is clearly separable is not covered.
--
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm
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Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <uess.1w0.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <ujV3.1uP.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-10 21:52 ` People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-10 22:26 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-10 22:34 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-11 1:35 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-11 13:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-11 18:39 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-11 18:45 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-13 17:52 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 23:54 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-13 17:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 10:55 ` Sean Estabrooks
2003-09-11 14:36 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-13 17:42 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-12 20:58 ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-12 21:47 ` Matt D. Robinson
2003-09-12 22:31 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-12 23:26 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-13 0:29 ` Matt D. Robinson
2003-09-13 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-13 5:38 ` jw schultz
2003-09-13 17:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-13 18:19 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 20:01 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 23:17 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 1:57 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 2:40 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 3:42 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 3:36 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 4:37 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 4:58 ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 5:39 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 5:32 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 6:41 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-14 6:50 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 7:10 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 8:08 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15 0:17 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15 5:57 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-15 6:14 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-05 0:52 ` Rob Landley
2003-10-05 1:05 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-10-05 2:34 ` viro
2003-10-05 3:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 10:24 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 13:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 14:14 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 11:32 ` David Lang
2003-10-05 13:37 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 6:40 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 7:39 ` viro
2003-10-05 18:27 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 19:21 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:03 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:14 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:34 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:43 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06 1:22 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06 1:37 ` David Lang
2003-10-06 1:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-05 19:32 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-05 19:47 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 20:38 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-05 20:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-05 19:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-14 8:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-15 0:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-15 0:27 ` Justin Cormack
2003-09-14 21:40 ` People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] David Schwartz
2003-09-15 8:06 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-14 2:51 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-14 3:05 ` GPL == DMCA [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Andre Hedrick
2003-10-29 22:42 ` People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model] David Schwartz
2003-10-29 23:11 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-30 0:10 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-11 1:39 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-13 17:11 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 21:11 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-13 21:19 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-13 21:12 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-13 22:09 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-13 22:30 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-14 1:16 ` Andrew Pimlott
2003-09-15 15:26 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-13 23:00 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-12 21:04 ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-12 21:17 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-15 18:24 ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-15 20:17 ` David Schwartz
2003-09-13 18:09 ` Andre Hedrick
[not found] <vyRY.6te.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <vzkY.7cC.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-14 9:16 ` freed_symbols [Re: People, not GPL [was: Re: Driver Model]] Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-14 17:09 ` Stan Bubrouski
[not found] <fa.grj6i7d.lmorqn@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.n320lec.1p4i0gc@ifi.uio.no>
2003-10-05 16:44 ` walt
[not found] <Dnwo.1ew.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DnPL.3XB.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DsvX.3yN.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:28 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 18:38 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-06 21:29 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-10-07 0:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07 8:40 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-07 8:56 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:13 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 10:33 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:44 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 11:25 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 14:03 ` Roman Zippel
2003-10-07 19:09 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07 8:58 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-07 14:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-07 14:48 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-07 8:28 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] <DIre.Cy.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.17@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.19@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIre.Cy.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <DIAQ.2Hh.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 18:56 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 19:09 ` David Lang
2003-10-06 20:08 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-07 10:49 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-10 12:14 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-10 12:48 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 12:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 13:07 ` David S. Miller
2003-10-10 13:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-06 22:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-06 23:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-07 0:20 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-07 2:31 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-07 10:03 Pascal Schmidt
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