From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262101AbTJSIgS (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:36:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262104AbTJSIgS (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:36:18 -0400 Received: from holomorphy.com ([66.224.33.161]:55424 "EHLO holomorphy") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262101AbTJSIgQ (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:36:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:35:51 -0700 From: William Lee Irwin III To: Hans Reiser Cc: Larry McVoy , Norman Diamond , Wes Janzen , Rogier Wolff , John Bradford , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nikita@namesys.com, Pavel Machek , Justin Cormack , Russell King , Vitaly Fertman , Krzysztof Halasa , axboe@suse.de Subject: Re: Blockbusting news, results are in Message-ID: <20031019083551.GA1108@holomorphy.com> Mail-Followup-To: William Lee Irwin III , Hans Reiser , Larry McVoy , Norman Diamond , Wes Janzen , Rogier Wolff , John Bradford , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nikita@namesys.com, Pavel Machek , Justin Cormack , Russell King , Vitaly Fertman , Krzysztof Halasa , axboe@suse.de References: <1c6401c395e7$16630d00$3eee4ca5@DIAMONDLX60> <20031019041553.GA25372@work.bitmover.com> <3F924660.4040405@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F924660.4040405@namesys.com> Organization: The Domain of Holomorphy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Larry McVoy wrote: >> I've told you guys over and over that you need to CRC the data in user >> space, we do that in our backup scripts and it tells us when the drives >> are going bad. S On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:08:00PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: > Why do the CRC in user space, that requires modifying every one of 7000+ > applications (if I understand you correctly, which is far from a sure > thing;-) )? > Write a reiser4 CRC file plugin. It would take a weekend, and most of the > work would be cut and pasting from the default file plugin.. > I understand why you do it in BK, but for user space as a whole user space > is the wrong place. I think the fs driver layer might be the wrong thing too; maybe it'd be best to do the CRC and/or checksumming at the block layer? At the very least, I see a lack of genericity with respect to making it a plugin to a specific fs. I'm going to try not to delve too far into specifics, as my knowledge in these areas is limited, but I'd welcome any corrections of misunderstandings I might have about feasibility, value, or importance of these things, and even techhical misconceptions. Jens, I apologize if advance if this is just another lame flamewar best bitbucketed as opposed to answered. Thanks. -- wli