From: Gabriel Paubert <paubert@iram.es>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Felipe Alfaro Solana <felipe_alfaro@linuxmail.org>,
Patrick Mochel <mochel@osdl.org>,
George Anzinger <george@mvista.com>,
John stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [pm] fix time after suspend-to-*
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:28:24 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031029112824.GA7789@iram.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031029093802.GA757@elf.ucw.cz>
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:38:03AM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > You are not asking userspace whether to reboot or not, and you should
> > > not ask them about suspend, either.
> >
> > OK, so how should the system behave when a real-time-like process is
> > running? I talked about the CD burning example. Should the kernel simply
> > ignore the process and suspend?
>
> Yes.
>
> > > > 1. Network connections must be reestablished. A userspace program can't
> > > > try to automatically reestablish a broken TCP connection for no apparent
> > > > reason. A broken TCP connection could be the cause of an overloaded or
> > > > broken server/service. If we do not inform userspace processes that the
> > > > system is going to sleep (or that the system has been brought up from
> > > > standby), they will blindly try to restore TCP connections back, even
> > > > when the remote server is broken, generating a lot of unnecesary
> > > > traffic.
> > >
> > > gettimeofday(), if I slept for too long, oops, something strange
> > > happened (maybe there was heavy io load and I was swapped out? or
> > > suspend? Did machine sleep for 20 minutes in cli?) try to reconnect.
> >
> > Does "gettimeofday()" have into account the effect of adjusting the time
> > twice a year, once to make time roll forward one hour and another one to
> > roll it back?
>
> Not sure how it is supposed to work, but here I just have ntpd
> step-setting by one hour...
Well, gettimeofday() is supposed to return UT. It does not care at all
about local time, which would be a 100% userspace problem if it were
not for broken filesystems which store timestamps in local time.
Going off-topic: on a typical distribution the files used for UT to
localtime conversion are in/usr/share/zoneinfo. Also ntp exclusively
transmits UT, and is certainly not responsible for these hour steps.
Gabriel.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-10-29 11:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-10-22 23:33 [pm] fix time after suspend-to-* Pavel Machek
2003-10-22 23:52 ` john stultz
2003-10-23 8:17 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-23 20:23 ` George Anzinger
2003-10-23 20:55 ` john stultz
2003-10-23 23:09 ` George Anzinger
2003-10-23 23:38 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-24 0:29 ` john stultz
2003-10-24 0:39 ` john stultz
2003-10-24 2:10 ` George Anzinger
2003-10-24 7:48 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-27 23:24 ` George Anzinger
2003-10-27 23:43 ` Patrick Mochel
2003-10-28 1:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-10-28 8:33 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-28 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-28 11:41 ` Stephen Rothwell
2003-10-28 12:29 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-28 12:39 ` Stephen Rothwell
2003-10-28 22:23 ` Peter Chubb
2003-10-29 2:24 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-29 9:43 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-28 14:30 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-28 17:28 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-28 20:16 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-28 21:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-10-28 21:29 ` George Anzinger
2003-10-29 9:38 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-29 11:28 ` Gabriel Paubert [this message]
2003-10-29 11:55 ` PCI Bus error 6290 or 0290 Remus
2003-10-29 12:40 ` Meelis Roos
2003-10-29 12:49 ` Remus
2003-10-29 20:42 ` [pm] fix time after suspend-to-* George Anzinger
2003-10-30 9:02 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-28 15:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-28 17:26 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-28 18:20 ` Patrick Mochel
2003-10-28 19:36 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-28 20:19 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-24 7:49 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-23 23:40 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-27 22:43 ` Patrick Mochel
2003-10-22 23:57 ` Måns Rullgård
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-10-29 8:20 Mathias Fröhlich
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