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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Roger Luethi <rl@hellgate.ch>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Chris Vine <chris@cvine.freeserve.co.uk>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.0-test9 - poor swap performance on low end machines
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:37:34 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200310312337.34778.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031031112615.GA10530@k3.hellgate.ch>

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:26, Roger Luethi wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:57:23 -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Chris Vine wrote:
> > > However, on a low end machine (200MHz Pentium MMX uniprocessor with
> > > only 32MB of RAM and 70MB of swap) I get poor performance once
> > > extensive use is made of the swap space.
> >
> > Could you try the patch Con Kolivas posted on the 25th ?
> >
> > Subject: [PATCH] Autoregulate vm swappiness cleanup
>
> I suppose it will show some improvement but fail to get performance
> anywhere near 2.4 -- at least that's what my own tests found. I've been
> working on a break-down of where we're losing it.
> Bottom line: It's not simply a price we pay for feature X or Y. It's
> all over the map, and thus no single patch can possibly fix it.

Yes it will show improvement, and I would like to hear how much given how 
simple it is, but I agree with you. There is an intrinsic difference in the 
vm in 2.6 that makes it too hard for multiple running applications to have a 
small piece of the action instead of giving out big pieces of the action. 
While it is better in most circumstances I believe you describe well the 
problem under vm overload. I guess encoding a vm scheduler will help (and 
clearly 2.8 territory) but at what overhead cost? I have no idea myself, as 
now I'm pulling catch-phrases out of my arse that I hate hearing others use 
(see any lkml thread about scheduling from people who don't code).

Cheers,
Con


  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-31 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-29 22:30 2.6.0-test9 - poor swap performance on low end machines Chris Vine
2003-10-31  3:57 ` Rik van Riel
2003-10-31 11:26   ` Roger Luethi
2003-10-31 12:37     ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2003-10-31 12:59       ` Roger Luethi
2003-10-31 12:55     ` Ed Tomlinson
2003-11-01 18:34       ` Pasi Savolainen
2003-11-06 18:40       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-31 21:52   ` Chris Vine
2003-11-02 23:06   ` Chris Vine
2003-11-03  0:48     ` Con Kolivas
2003-11-03 21:13       ` Chris Vine
2003-11-04  2:55         ` Con Kolivas
2003-11-04 22:08           ` Chris Vine
2003-11-04 22:30             ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-08 13:52           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-08 14:23             ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-08 14:30               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-09 21:03               ` Chris Vine
2003-12-13 14:08               ` Chris Vine
2003-12-08 19:49             ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-08 20:48               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-09  0:27                 ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-09  4:05                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-09 15:11                     ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-09 16:04                       ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-09 16:31                         ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-09 18:31                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-09 19:38                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-10 13:58                         ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-10 17:47                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-10 22:23                             ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-11  0:12                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-10 21:04                           ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-10 23:17                             ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-11  1:31                               ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-11 10:16                                 ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-10 23:30                           ` Helge Hafting
2003-12-10 21:52                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-12-10 22:05                   ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-10 22:44                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-12-11  1:28                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-11  1:32                         ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-11 10:16                       ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-15 23:31                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-15 23:37                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-12-15 23:54                           ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-16  0:17                             ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-16 11:23                             ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-16 16:29                               ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-17 11:03                                 ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-17 11:06                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-17 16:50                                     ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-17 11:33                                   ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-17 18:53                               ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-17 19:27                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-17 19:51                                   ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-17 19:49                                 ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-17 21:41                                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-17 21:41                                   ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-18  0:21                                     ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-18 22:53                                       ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-18 23:38                                         ` William Lee Irwin III

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