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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Kai Makisara <Kai.Makisara@kolumbus.fi>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
	Patrick Mansfield <patmans@us.ibm.com>,
	Douglas Gilbert <dougg@torque.net>,
	SCSI development list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	USB development list <linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Unaligned scatter-gather buffers and usb-storage
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:24:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031120162457.GC1106@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0311201059130.878-100000@ida.rowland.org>

On Thu, Nov 20 2003, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Jens Axboe wrote:
> 
> > Well yes, that's what my objection is against - adding that member. Did
> > you not read any of my mails? And it's quite simple why - basically
> > noone will add it, so it'll end up being 512 anyways.
> 
> All right, fine.  Host adapter drivers have the option of setting the 
> dma_alignment mask in their slave_configure() routines.  Doing it there 
> won't add anything to the host template, will leave the value at its 
> default 512 for host drivers that don't care, and will let drivers that do 
> care set it to the optimal value.
> 
> The important thing is that sg and st should check the alignment of the 
> actual buffer against the dma_alignment mask, which they currently don't 
> do.

Sure fine. I still don't think it's worth anybodies time messing with.

> > I just don't see the point. It's a miniscule optimization. If you need
> > that last bit of performance, then align your buffers and noone loses.
> > See?
> 
> I'm not sure -- was that "you" directed at me personally or at userspace 
> program writers in general?  Telling me to align the user buffers won't 
> help anything; it's the program writers who need to be informed of the 
> restrictions.  And it's the host-driver writers who need to loosen those 
> restrictions where applicable.

You as in program writers, clearly you cannot do anything about it. Of
course sg/st/whatever cannot pass down badly aligned sg addresses,
that's a given. And I think they are currently broken that they don't
attempt to align to 512 bytes. I just think we've waisted way more time
discussion the issue than what will ever be saved in cpu time.

-- 
Jens Axboe



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  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-20 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1068207145.3fab8c2988d43@webmail.netregistry.net>
2003-11-07 16:21 ` usb-storage and Sony Handycam Alan Stern
2003-11-07 17:29   ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-07 19:49     ` Alan Stern
2003-11-08  2:54       ` Dmitri Katchalov
2003-11-08  6:34         ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-08 13:29           ` Dmitri Katchalov
2003-11-08 16:28           ` Alan Stern
2003-11-08 20:37             ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-09  3:47               ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2003-11-09  8:45                 ` Dmitri Katchalov
2003-11-10 20:45                   ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-10 17:59                 ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-10 18:46                   ` Alan Stern
2003-11-10 19:04                     ` [linux-usb-devel] " Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-10 19:57                       ` Alan Stern
2003-11-10 22:46                     ` Sancho Dauskardt
2003-11-18 15:20                   ` Unaligned scatter-gather buffers and usb-storage Alan Stern
2003-11-18 22:37                     ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-19  8:47                       ` Jens Axboe
2003-11-19 13:01                         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Oliver Neukum
2003-11-19 13:04                           ` Jens Axboe
2003-11-19 14:37                             ` James Bottomley
2003-11-19 14:39                               ` Jens Axboe
2003-11-19 14:58                                 ` James Bottomley
2003-11-19 15:00                                   ` [linux-usb-devel] " Jens Axboe
2003-11-19 16:56                                     ` Kai Makisara
2003-11-19 20:19                                       ` Jens Axboe
2003-11-19 22:06                                         ` Kai Makisara
2003-11-20  6:53                                           ` Jens Axboe
2003-11-20 15:20                                             ` Alan Stern
2003-11-20 15:30                                               ` Jens Axboe
2003-11-20 16:09                                                 ` Alan Stern
2003-11-20 16:24                                                   ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2003-11-20 16:28                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-11-20 19:23                                                   ` Kai Makisara
2003-11-20 17:18                                               ` Kai Makisara
2003-11-20 19:18                                                 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Kai Mäkisara
2003-11-21 18:03                                                   ` PATCH: (as141) " Alan Stern
2003-11-21 20:07                                                     ` Kai Makisara
2003-12-01  1:30                                                     ` Matthew Dharm
2004-01-05  0:41                                                     ` Matthew Dharm
2004-01-05 10:08                                                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-05 21:58                                                         ` PATCH: (as141b) " Alan Stern
2004-01-06 11:28                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2004-01-06 16:10                                                             ` Alan Stern
2004-02-02 15:51                                                           ` James Bottomley
2004-02-03 15:47                                                             ` Alan Stern
2004-02-03 15:55                                                               ` James Bottomley
2004-02-03 16:02                                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-11-19 15:44                         ` Alan Stern
2003-11-19 15:49                           ` Jens Axboe
2003-11-19 16:58                             ` Alan Stern
2003-11-19 17:03                               ` Jens Axboe
2003-11-07 22:09     ` usb-storage and Sony Handycam Alan Stern

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