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From: Jos Hulzink <josh@stack.nl>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Bradley Chapman <kakadu_croc@yahoo.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: What exactly are the issues with 2.6.0-test10 preempt?
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:55:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200311250755.07577.josh@stack.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0311241429330.15101@home.osdl.org>

On Monday 24 Nov 2003 22:32, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Basically, there's something strange going on, which _seems_ to be memory
> corruption, and seems to correlate reasonable well (but not 100%) with
> CONFIG_PREEMPT.
>
> It's actually unlikely to be preemption itself that is broken: it's much
> more likely that some driver or other subsystem is broken, and preempt is
> just better at triggering it by making some race conditions much easier to
> see due to bigger windows for them to happen.
>
> The problem is finding enough of a pattern to the reports to make sense of
> what seems to be the common thread. A lot of people use preemption without
> any trouble.

Maybe brute force is the best way to deal with this nasty one ? I'm thinking: 
It must be rather easy to make a tool that takes a .config file and an 
argument "This kernel seems in trouble Yes / No". If an option is enabled, 
and this kernel config crashes, you increase the likelihood of that option 
(i.e. you increment a counter). If an option is enabled, and this kernel 
doesn't crash. you decrement a counter. In the end, you'll end with 
statistics about which kernel option is likely to cause problems.

Jos


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-25  6:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-24 19:14 What exactly are the issues with 2.6.0-test10 preempt? Bradley Chapman
2003-11-24 21:08 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2003-11-24 21:29   ` Bradley Chapman
2003-11-24 21:47     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2003-11-24 21:55       ` Bradley Chapman
2003-11-24 21:59   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-24 22:26     ` Bradley Chapman
2003-11-24 22:32       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-24 22:45         ` Bradley Chapman
2003-11-24 23:00           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-24 23:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-25  7:55         ` Jos Hulzink [this message]
2003-11-24 22:41       ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-24 22:51         ` Mike Fedyk
2003-11-25  1:37           ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-25 17:22           ` bill davidsen
2003-11-24 22:57     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2003-11-25  7:17     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2003-11-25 16:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-30  9:09 ` Matthias Urlichs
     [not found] <20031124224514.56242.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0311241452550.15101@home.osdl.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-11-24 23:50   ` Andi Kleen
2003-11-25  0:00     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-11-25  0:05       ` Andi Kleen
2003-11-25  0:16         ` Chris Mason
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-25 18:13 kernel
2003-11-25 18:14 root
2003-11-25 18:31 kernel
2003-11-26  9:30 ` Jens Axboe

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