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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Cc: linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.6.1 Hyperthread smart "nice" 2
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:12:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040203111236.GA8508@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200402032207.38006.kernel@kolivas.org>


* Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:

> > for lowprio tasks they are of little use, unless you modify gcc to
> > sprinkle mwait yields all around the 'lowprio code' - not very practical
> > i think.
> 
> Yuck!
> 
> Looks like the kernel is the only thing likely to be smart enough to
> do this correctly for some time yet. 

no, there's no way for the kernel to do this 'correctly', without
further hardware help. mwait is suspending the current virtual CPU a bit
better than rep-nop did. This can be exploited for the idle loop because
the idle loop does nothing so it can execute the rep-nop. (mwait can
likely also be used for spinlocks but that is another issue.)

user-space code that is 'low-prio' cannot be slowed down via mwait,
without interleaving user-space instructions with mwait (or with
rep-nop).

this is a problem area that is not solved by mwait - giving priority to
virtual CPUs should be offered by CPUs, once the number of logical cores
increases significantly - if the interaction between those cores is
significant. (there are SMT designs where this isnt an issue.)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-03 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-29  8:17 [PATCH] 2.6.1 Hyperthread smart "nice" Con Kolivas
2004-01-29  9:39 ` Jos Hulzink
2004-01-29 10:28   ` Con Kolivas
2004-01-29 10:36     ` Con Kolivas
2004-02-02  9:27   ` [PATCH] 2.6.1 Hyperthread smart "nice" 2 Con Kolivas
2004-02-02 10:31     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-03 10:52       ` Con Kolivas
2004-02-03 10:58         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-03 11:07           ` Con Kolivas
2004-02-03 11:12             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-02-03 11:14               ` Con Kolivas
2004-02-03 11:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-03 11:19             ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-03 22:59           ` Andrew Morton

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