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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>
Cc: Robin Rosenberg <robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com>,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: JFS default behavior (was: UTF-8 in file systems? xfs/extfs/etc.)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:17:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040213001702.GA24981@mail.shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200402121617.i1CGHH2c000275@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk>

John Bradford wrote:
> > Definitely a good reason.  It seem many assume file names are a local thing,
> > but this is not so. Now consider the case with an external firewire
> > disk or memory stick created on a machine with iso-8859-1 as the system character
> > set and e.g xfs as the file system. What happens when I hook it up to a new redhat
> > installation that thinks file names are best stored as utf8? Most non-ascii
> > file names aren't even legal in utf8.
> 
> Another thing to consider is that you can encode the same character in
> several ways using utf8,

No, you can't.  Only the shortest encoding of a character is valid
UTF-8, and any program which claims to comply with Unicode is
_required_ to reject all other encodings, citing security as the main
reason.

That means any code which transcodes UTF-8 to another encoding (such
as iso-8859-1) must reject the non-minimal forms as invalid
characters, in whatever way that is done.

If there's any transcoding code in Linux which doesn't do that, it's a
potential security hole and should be fixed.

> so two filenames could have different byte strings, but evaluate to
> the same set of unicode characters.

That's true in some other encodings I think (the iso-2022 ones), but
not UTF-8.

-- Jamie

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-02-13  0:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-09 11:58 UTF-8 in file systems? xfs/extfs/etc Nico Schottelius
2004-02-09 12:26 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-02-09 12:28 ` Hugo Mills
2004-02-09 13:04 ` Matthew Reppert
2004-02-09 13:36 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-10  4:32   ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-10  4:53     ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-10  9:46     ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-10 23:04     ` jw schultz
2004-02-10 23:17       ` viro
2004-02-10 23:23       ` Måns Rullgård
2004-02-11  0:02       ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-09 15:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-02-11  6:39 ` Tim Connors
2004-02-11 16:35   ` JFS default behavior (was: UTF-8 in file systems? xfs/extfs/etc.) Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-12  0:45     ` Andy Isaacson
2004-02-12  1:19       ` Tim Connors
2004-02-12  3:54       ` jw schultz
2004-02-12 12:03         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12  8:54       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-12 15:55         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 16:17           ` John Bradford
2004-02-12 16:40             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 17:16               ` John Bradford
2004-02-12 18:06                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 19:08                   ` John Bradford
2004-02-12 19:39                     ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 21:13                       ` John Bradford
2004-02-12 22:29                         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 22:50                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-13  2:58                           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13  9:48                             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13  3:15                         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-14 15:24                     ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-13  0:17             ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2004-02-13  0:38           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13  1:16             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13  1:23               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13  1:46                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13  2:29               ` viro
2004-02-13  3:23                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-14 15:09                   ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-15  1:01                     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 14:03                       ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-16 14:28                         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 19:22                           ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-16 21:44                             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 15:18                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-16 15:32                           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 19:13                             ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-16 15:46                           ` John Bradford
2004-02-16 15:48                             ` viro
2004-02-16 16:43                               ` John Bradford
2004-02-16 16:25                             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-16 15:27                         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 15:44                         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 10:03                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 10:22                   ` vda
2004-02-13 10:29                     ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 13:28       ` Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-12 15:26       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-12 15:41         ` Dave Kleikamp
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-12 16:50 Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-12 18:12 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13  3:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 10:07   ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 18:06   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-13 18:15     ` viro
2004-02-13 18:24       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-13 18:31         ` viro
2004-02-13 20:27           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 18:31       ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-13 22:39         ` Robin Rosenberg
     [not found] <04Feb13.015940est.41760@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
2004-02-13 10:26 ` Robin Rosenberg
     [not found] <04Feb13.024659est.41760@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
2004-02-13 17:57 ` Nicolas Mailhot
     [not found] <1nioI-5Re-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]   ` <1ozGR-60N-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]       ` <1oBpi-7pO-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]           ` <1p9Kl-7BV-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <1piXj-1d3-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-15 14:26               ` Pascal Schmidt
     [not found]               ` <1pRLy-21o-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                 ` <1pSRf-31Z-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-16 15:44                   ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-02-16 15:59                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
     [not found] <1pvrI-8bq-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1pvrI-8bq-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1pvrJ-8bq-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]       ` <1pvrJ-8bq-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <1pvrJ-8bq-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <1pvrJ-8bq-41@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <1pvrJ-8bq-43@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <1pTay-3hc-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                 ` <1pTay-3hc-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                   ` <1pTay-3hc-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                     ` <1pTu7-3Ce-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-16 17:26                       ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-02-16 17:58                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-16 19:48                           ` Pascal Schmidt

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