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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: objrmap-core-1 (rmap removal for file mappings to avoid 4:4 in <=16G machines)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:35:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040310113501.GA1112@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040309202744.GS8193@dualathlon.random>


* Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:

> the quality of such objrmap patch is still better than rmap. The DoS
> thing is doable with vmtruncate too in any kernel out there.

objrmap for now has a serious problem: test-mmap3.c locked up my box (i
couldnt switch text consoles for 30 minutes when i turned the box off).

I'm sure you'll fix it and i'm looking forward seeing it.  However, i'd
like to see the full fix instead of a promise to have this fixed
sometime the future.  There are valid application workloads that trigger
_worse_ vma patterns than test-mmap3.c does (UML being one such thing,
Oracle with indirect buffer-cache another - i'm sure there are other
apps too.).  Calling these applications 'exploits' doesnt help in
getting this thing fixed.  There's no problem with keeping this patchset
separate until it's regression-free.

> merging objrmap is the first step. Any other effort happens on top of
> it.

i'd like to see that effort combined with this code, and the full
picture.  Since this 'DoS property' is created by the current concept of
the patch, it's not a 'bug' that is easily fixed so we must not (and
cannot) sign up for it blindly, without seeing the full impact.  But
yes, it might be fixable.  Anyway - the 2.6 kernel is a stable tree and
i'm sure you know that avoiding regression is more important than
anything else.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-10 11:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-08 20:24 objrmap-core-1 (rmap removal for file mappings to avoid 4:4 in <=16G machines) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-08 20:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-08 21:23   ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-08 23:02     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-08 23:21       ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-08 23:40         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09  0:10           ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-09  0:35             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09  0:59               ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-09  8:31           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09  8:44             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-09  9:03             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 14:51               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 15:09                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 15:24                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 16:10                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:35                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-08 21:02 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-08 22:34   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09  2:46     ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-08 21:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-08 23:08   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09  7:47     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 15:21       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 15:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:33           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 17:23             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-09 19:57             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 20:27               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-10 11:35                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-03-10 12:32                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 10:52 ` [lockup] " Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 11:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 11:09     ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-09 11:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 12:32         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-09 16:03         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-10 10:36           ` RFC anon_vma previous (i.e. full objrmap) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-10 10:40             ` RFC anon_vma preview " Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-10 10:54             ` RFC anon_vma previous " Ingo Molnar
2004-03-11  6:52             ` anon_vma RFC2 Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 13:23               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-11 13:56                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 21:54                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12  1:47                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12  2:20                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12  3:28                   ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 12:21                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 12:40                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 13:11                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 16:25                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 17:13                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 17:23                               ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 17:44                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 18:18                                   ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 18:25                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-12 18:48                                   ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 19:02                                     ` Chris Friesen
2004-03-12 19:06                                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 19:10                                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-03-12 19:14                                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 20:27                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 20:32                                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 20:49                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 21:08                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-12 12:42                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 12:46                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-12 13:24                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 13:40                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-12 13:55                           ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12 16:01                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 16:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-13  0:28                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-13 14:43                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-13 16:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-13 17:24                               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 17:28                                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-13 17:41                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 18:08                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 17:54                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 17:55                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 18:57                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-13 19:14                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 17:48                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 17:33                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 17:53                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 18:13                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 19:35                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 17:57                                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 13:43                       ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12 15:56                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 16:12                           ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12 16:39                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 17:33                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 22:20                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-11 23:43                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12  3:20                     ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-09 17:22         ` [lockup] Re: objrmap-core-1 (rmap removal for file mappings to avoid 4:4 in <=16G machines) Rik van Riel
2004-03-09 17:56           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 15:59     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 16:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:39           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 19:33             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:39         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 15:41   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-15 19:47     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-03-15 22:00       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-16  7:39         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-03-16 13:50           ` Andrea Arcangeli
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-09 17:40 Bond, Andrew

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