From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list linux-mips); Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:37:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from p508B7AB1.dip.t-dialin.net ([IPv6:::ffff:80.139.122.177]:59007 "EHLO mail.linux-mips.net") by linux-mips.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:37:18 +0000 Received: from fluff.linux-mips.net (fluff.linux-mips.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.linux-mips.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i2ILbEMk030445; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:37:14 +0100 Received: (from ralf@localhost) by fluff.linux-mips.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i2ILbDH6030444; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:37:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:37:13 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" Cc: Dominic Sweetman , Eric Christopher , Long Li , linux-mips@linux-mips.org, David Ung , Nigel Stephens Subject: Re: gcc support of mips32 release 2 Message-ID: <20040318213713.GC25815@linux-mips.org> References: <20040305075517.42647.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> <1078478086.4308.14.camel@dzur.sfbay.redhat.com> <16456.21112.570245.1011@arsenal.mips.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"|/home/ecartis/ecartis -s linux-mips"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org X-archive-position: 4585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org Errors-to: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org X-original-sender: ralf@linux-mips.org Precedence: bulk X-list: linux-mips On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 02:18:01PM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > As a side note, it makes me wonder where the borderline of the RISC > actually is. Even Intel abandoned support for bit insert/extract > instructions after an initial attempt for the i386. They figured out the > implementation was too complicated. ;-) Take a look at the 68020 to see where instruction set madness can lead: movel ([42, a0, d0.2*2],123), ([43, a0, d0.2*2], 22) bfextu ([42, a0, d0.2*2],123){8:8}, d2 And I haven't even started bitching about CALLM's bloat over jsr on a system with MMU disabled or the fantastic complexities it offers with all gadgets enabled. Probably desigend for MACH but in the end just useless no known OS used them and Moto removed them again for the 030. Ralf