From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
ak@muc.de, tripperda@nvidia.com, discuss@x86-64.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] Re: 32-bit dma allocations on 64-bit platforms
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:07:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040624180756.GS30687@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040624175331.GI21066@holomorphy.com>
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:53:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 07:39:27PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> > I looked more into it and you can leave it turned off since it's not
> > going to work.
> > it's all in functions of z->pages_* and those are _global_ for all the
> > zones, and in turn they're absolutely meaningless.
> > the algorithm has nothing in common with lowmem_reverse_ratio, the
> > effect has a tinybit of similarity but the incremntal min thing is so
> > weak and so bad that it will either not help or it'll waste tons of
> > memory. Furthemore you cannot set a sysctl value that works for all
> > machines. The whole thing should be dropped and replaced with the fine
> > production quality lowmem_reserve_ratio in 2.4.26+
> > (the only broken thing of lowmem_reserve_ratio is that it cannot be
> > tuned, not even at boottime, a recompile is needed, but that's fixable
> > to tune it at boot time, and in theory at runtime too, but the point is
> > that no dyanmic tuning is required with it)
> > Please focus on this code of 2.4:
>
> There is mention of discrimination between pinned and unpinned
> allocations not being possible; I can arrange this for more
> comprehensive coverage if desired. Would you like this to be arranged,
> and if so, how would you like that to interact with the fallback
> heuristics?
how do you handle swapoff and mlock then? anonymous memory is pinned w/o
swap. You've relocate the stuff during the mlock or swapoff to obey to
the pin limits to make this work right, and it sounds quite complicated
and it would hurt mlock performance a lot too (some big app uses mlock
to pagein w/o page faults tons of stuff).
Note that the "pinned" thing in theory makes *perfect* sense, but it
only makes sense on _top_ of lowmem_zone_reserve_ratio, it's not an
alternative.
When the page is pinned you obey to the "lowmem_zone_reserve_ratio" when
it's _not_ pinned then you absolutely ignore the
lowmem_zone_reseve_ratio and you go with the watermarks[curr_zone_idx]
instead of the class_idx.
But in practice I doubt it worth it since I doubt you want to relocate
pagecache and anonymous memory during swapoff/mlock.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-06-24 18:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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[not found] ` <20040623213643.GB32456@hygelac>
2004-06-23 23:46 ` 32-bit dma allocations on 64-bit platforms Andi Kleen
2004-06-24 11:13 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-24 11:29 ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2004-06-24 14:36 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-24 14:42 ` Andi Kleen
2004-06-24 14:58 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-24 15:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 15:48 ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-24 16:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 16:56 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 17:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 17:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 18:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 18:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 18:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 18:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 21:54 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-24 22:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 22:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 22:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 23:09 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-24 23:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-25 6:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-25 2:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-25 2:47 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-25 3:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-24 23:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-25 1:17 ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-25 3:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 22:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 22:36 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-24 23:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 22:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 22:40 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 23:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 23:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 17:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 17:53 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 18:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-06-24 18:29 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-24 16:04 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-24 17:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 18:33 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-24 18:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-25 15:50 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-25 17:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-25 17:39 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-25 17:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 14:45 ` Terence Ripperda
2004-06-24 15:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 15:44 ` Terence Ripperda
2004-06-24 16:15 ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2004-06-24 17:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-24 22:28 ` Terence Ripperda
2004-06-24 18:51 ` Andi Kleen
2004-06-26 4:58 ` David Mosberger
2004-06-24 13:48 Jesse Barnes
2004-06-24 14:39 ` Terence Ripperda
2004-06-24 15:01 ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
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