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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sds@epoch.ncsc.mil,
	jmorris@redhat.com, mika@osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Use NULL instead of integer 0 in security/selinux/
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:58:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040710065847.GE20947@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0407092319180.1764@ppc970.osdl.org>

On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 11:23:52PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> I really don't see the point of complaining about the fixes. There's just
> _no_ way to say that "0" is more readable than "NULL" in any of the cases.  
> I dare you - show _one_ case where a 0/NULL patch was wrong or even
> remotely debatable. I dare you.

I definitely agree.

Several years ago I once wrote a singificant piece of code for a projet
with #define NULL -1UL, this actually wasn't my choice but a requirement
of the project (the headers were pre-defined) but it worked perfectly
since we never did '!ptr' we always did 'ptr == NULL' instead (etc..).
So at runtime it has never been a problem because we coded with NULL !=
0 in mind. Of course I known normally NULL is always equal to 0 but I
didn't realize that defining NULL !=0 wasn't exactly the C language (I
learnt it later on the hard way in some mailing list, I believe at some
point I did patches like the one in this thread but claiming it to be a
bugfix, and not just a cleanup ;).

IIRC my argument about these patches being bugfixes, was about an
architecture with a valid page mapped at address 0, that wouldn't
generate a segfault. This is incidentally why we had to use NULL = -1
instead of NULL = 0. The answer I got at that time form some C guru is
that I would need to hack the compiler specifically for such achitecture
to accomodate for NULL = -1, so that '!ptr' will be the same as 'ptr ==
-1UL' (for pointers). In practice I think it has been a lot easier for
us to avoid using '!ptr' than to hack gcc... 

  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-10  6:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-07 19:25 [PATCH] Use NULL instead of integer 0 in security/selinux/ Chris Wright
2004-07-08  3:12 ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-08  3:27   ` David S. Miller
2004-07-08  3:43     ` Miles Bader
2004-07-08  5:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08  5:35         ` Miles Bader
2004-07-08 15:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 16:23             ` Dave Jones
2004-07-08 17:57               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-09 11:23             ` Roman Zippel
2004-07-10 19:41               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-11 10:29                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-11 10:54                   ` viro
2004-07-11 16:14                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-11 20:05                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-12 15:58                   ` Florian Weimer
2004-07-12 16:34                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-08 11:18         ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-08 13:10           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-08 13:56             ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-08 14:13               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-08  5:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 16:09     ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-08 16:21       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 16:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 16:52         ` Timothy Miller
     [not found]           ` <200407090056.51084.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2004-07-12 15:17             ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-12 16:12               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-12 16:51                 ` Andrew Pimlott
2004-07-15 16:15                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-09 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-07-09 23:49       ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-10  1:43         ` Kyle Moffett
2004-07-10  1:47           ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-10 21:53             ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-10  6:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-10  6:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-10  6:58           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-07-10  9:48             ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-07-10 15:39           ` Roland Dreier
2004-07-11  2:45             ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2004-07-11 21:19             ` Olaf Titz
2004-07-10  9:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-07-10  9:56           ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-11 21:47           ` Olaf Titz
2004-07-13  8:43             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-14  3:12               ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-13 18:53             ` Elladan
2004-07-14  3:15             ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-10 12:11         ` Roman Zippel
2004-07-10 21:59         ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-11  4:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-10  9:31       ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2004-07-10 22:07         ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-10 23:52         ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-11  0:12           ` Tim Wright
2004-07-12 22:03       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-10  8:18     ` Florian Weimer
2004-07-08 11:10   ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-07-08 11:28     ` Michael Buesch
2004-07-08 11:44       ` Martin Zwickel
2004-07-08 12:06         ` Michael Buesch
2004-07-08 12:38           ` [OT] NULL versus 0 (Re: [PATCH] Use NULL instead of integer 0 in security/selinux/) Kari Hurtta
2004-07-08 12:42             ` Michael Buesch
2004-07-08 12:57               ` Kari Hurtta
2004-07-08 15:25                 ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-10  8:22           ` [PATCH] Use NULL instead of integer 0 in security/selinux/ Florian Weimer
2004-07-08 11:43     ` P. Benie
2004-07-08 14:32       ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-07-08 15:00         ` Michael Poole
2004-07-08 15:30           ` P. Benie
2004-07-08 15:55           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-10  7:09         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  7:02       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  6:59     ` Andrea Arcangeli

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