From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264519AbUG2M2B (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:28:01 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264503AbUG2M0z (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:26:55 -0400 Received: from hermes.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.202.12]:25794 "HELO hermes.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S264530AbUG2MZs (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:25:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:25:43 +0200 From: Adrian Bunk To: Andrew Morton Cc: corbet@lwn.net, bgerst@didntduck.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Message-ID: <20040729122542.GP2349@fs.tum.de> References: <40FEEEBC.7080104@quark.didntduck.org> <20040721231123.13423.qmail@lwn.net> <20040721235228.GZ14733@fs.tum.de> <20040722025539.5d35c4cb.akpm@osdl.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040722025539.5d35c4cb.akpm@osdl.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 02:55:39AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > Changes that remove functionally like Greg's patch are hopefully > > still 2.7 stuff - 2.6 is a stable kernel series and smooth upgrades > > inside a stable kernel series are a must for many users. > > I don't necessarily agree that such changes in the userspace interface > should be tied to the kernel version number, really. That's a three or > four year warning period, which is unreasonably long. Six to twelve months > should be long enough for udev-based replacements to stabilise and > propagate out into distributions. > > That being said, mid-2005 would be an appropriate time to remove devfs. If > that schedule pushes things along faster than they would otherwise have > progressed, well, good. >... I'm currently wondering whether part of our discussion might be about a non-issue: It's true that there's not a pressing need for opening 2.7 today. But do you assume that this will still be true one year from now? If 2.7 will open during the next 12 months, "mid-2005" would still be after 2.7 opened, and such non-urgent cleanups could then go into 2.7 . cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed