From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267461AbUHJPZN (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:25:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S267468AbUHJPZN (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:25:13 -0400 Received: from dvmwest.gt.owl.de ([62.52.24.140]:38784 "EHLO dvmwest.gt.owl.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S267461AbUHJPZA (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:25:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:24:59 +0200 From: Jan-Benedict Glaw To: Stephan von Krawczynski Cc: Joerg Schilling , alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, axboe@suse.de, diablod3@gmail.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, eric@lammerts.org, james.bottomley@steeleye.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Message-ID: <20040810152458.GA1127@lug-owl.de> Mail-Followup-To: Stephan von Krawczynski , Joerg Schilling , alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, axboe@suse.de, diablod3@gmail.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, eric@lammerts.org, james.bottomley@steeleye.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <200408101427.i7AERDld014134@burner.fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20040810164947.7f363529.skraw@ithnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040810164947.7f363529.skraw@ithnet.com> X-Operating-System: Linux mail 2.6.8-rc4 X-gpg-fingerprint: 250D 3BCF 7127 0D8C A444 A961 1DBD 5E75 8399 E1BB X-gpg-key: wwwkeys.de.pgp.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2004-08-10 16:49:47 +0200, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote in message <20040810164947.7f363529.skraw@ithnet.com>: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:27:13 +0200 (CEST) > Joerg Schilling wrote: > >=20 > > - These distributions do not talk with the original Authors which > > demonstrates that they do not like to benefit from OSS. >=20 > Really, have you listened to yourself lately: "Commercial distros do not = like > to benefit from OSS." ???=20 > How do you define their primary goal, arguing with Joerg Schilling, or wh= at? IIRC J=F6rg complained some hundred emails ago that they (the SuSE people) don't care to try to get their patches upstream, back to J=F6rg, or discussing their changes with him (but instead hacking cdrecord the way it fits best for them). While they (and any other distro's people and anybody else) may actually hack the code to no end, I consider it being good habit to actually *avoid* forking without the intent to (constantly) work in re-merging the fork. While this is perfectly legal, I can understand that J=F6rg (even while using a broken email client 8-) doesn't like getting complains about a hacked cdrecord, or missing useful changes the distribution people did to cdrecord... So what's commercial distro's primary goal? (1) Re-packaging software for the sole purpose of earning some $$ or (2) acting as a mediator between upstream authors and their paying customers? If it is all about (1), I for one would consider (at least for my future work) to not continue without actually *forcing* vendors into discussing their useful changes with me as an upstream author. Like working IN but not solely FOR a community... MfG, JBG --=20 Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 = _ O _ "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg = _ _ O fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier B=FCrger" | im Internet! | im Irak! = O O O ret =3D do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)= ); --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBGOjKHb1edYOZ4bsRAiLlAJ40VhFgOlRZL64ORqUI4p/tF8CiHgCdGvDg 468y6W700gGlp01FvDcj/F4= =HmiR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5--