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From: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>,
	martijn@entmoot.nl, hzhong@cisco.com, jst1@email.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	davem@redhat.com
Subject: Re: UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:51:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041008025148.GA724@mark.mielke.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041007154204.44e71da6.davem@davemloft.net>

On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 03:42:04PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:39:06 -0600
> Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
> > However, you chopped off what I consider the interesting part of my
> > post.  I propose that if we call select() on a blocking file
> > descriptor, we verify the checksum before saying that the socket is
> > readable.  Then, at recvmsg() time, if it hasn't been checked
> > already we would check it (to allow for the case of blocking socket
> > without select()).
> So people who improperly use select() with blocking sockets get punished
> in a different way, with half the performance compared to today?

No. People who use select() and read() in the *other* documented
manner, however ill-advised, would see the expected, and at least from
the perspective of myself and a few other people around here, correct
behaviour. How much it costs to implement the correct behaviour is a
different concern, and perhaps one these people should have considered
when determining whether or not to use O_NONBLOCK...

Your position, I believe has been that the use of select() on a blocking
file descriptor is invalid. Taking this to an extreme, select() should
return EBADF or something to that effect, when passed a file descriptor
that does not have O_NONBLOCK set...

Cheers,
mark

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-08  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 191+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-06 14:52 UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug? Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 15:01 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:13   ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:15   ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:21     ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:29       ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:42         ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 15:57           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:44         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-07  1:16         ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07  7:10           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 11:53             ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:32               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 12:53                 ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:12                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-07 14:07                   ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:19                     ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 13:36                     ` Paul Jakma
2004-10-07 15:01                       ` Jean-Sebastien Trottier
2004-10-07 16:20                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 18:20                           ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-07 18:33                             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:41                               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 21:49                                 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:00                                   ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:24                                     ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:26                                       ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:39                                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-07 22:42                                           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:27                                             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-08  0:04                                               ` Ben Greear
2004-10-08  2:51                                             ` Mark Mielke [this message]
2004-10-08  3:39                                               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-08  3:48                                                 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-08  3:59                                                   ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:19                                     ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 22:24                                       ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 22:33                                         ` Alan Curry
2004-10-07 22:42                                         ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 22:47                                           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:00                                             ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 23:07                                               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-08  6:10                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-08 15:20                                                 ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-08  0:37                                             ` Lee Revell
2004-10-07 22:46                                         ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-07 22:48                                           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:17                                   ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:45                     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-07 16:32                       ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 14:50                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-07 21:58                           ` mmap specification - was: ... select specification Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 22:17                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-10-07 22:34                               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 22:32                             ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-07 22:46                               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-07 23:30                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-08  9:19                                   ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-09 21:10                                     ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 13:48                     ` UDP recvmsg blocks after select(), 2.6 bug? Alan Cox
2004-10-07 14:57                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-07 15:18                       ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 16:39                         ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 16:09                           ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-07 17:18                             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:31       ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:41         ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 16:07           ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 16:57           ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 15:59       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 16:35       ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 15:30     ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 15:09 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-06 15:18 ` bert hubert
2004-10-06 16:41 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 18:04   ` Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 19:30     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 19:23       ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 22:08         ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 20:25           ` Alan Cox
2004-10-06 22:15             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 22:32               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 23:25               ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2004-10-06 23:11             ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-06 19:43       ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 19:54         ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 19:59           ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 20:10             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 21:45               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-06 23:35                 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 20:06           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-06 20:18             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 20:26               ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-06 20:38               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-06 20:58                 ` Joris van Rantwijk
2004-10-06 22:29                 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 16:08                 ` Adrian Phillips
2004-10-06 20:06         ` Olivier Galibert
2004-10-06 23:35           ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07  0:19             ` Olivier Galibert
2004-10-07  0:29               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 10:56                 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-08  6:41                 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-08 15:27                   ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-15 22:42                   ` Robert White
2004-10-15 23:33                     ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16  0:59                       ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-16  2:35                       ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16  4:23                         ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16  4:35                           ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16  4:58                             ` David Schwartz
2004-10-16  6:25                               ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16 21:44                                 ` Roland Kuhn
2004-10-17  0:06                                   ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17  0:30                                     ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 14:47                                       ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17  0:28                                 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 13:35                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 14:17                                     ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 15:05                                       ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-17 15:40                                         ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 16:13                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-10-17 17:35                                           ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-17 18:04                                             ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:06                                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 18:21                                                 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:04                                                 ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 20:08                                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 17:35                                           ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 17:33                                             ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 19:58                                               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 19:33                                                 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:11                                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 20:25                                                     ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 20:42                                                   ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 20:02                                                     ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:53                                             ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 19:26                                               ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-17 20:32                                               ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-17 19:21                                           ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-17 17:22                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 17:54                                         ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-17 18:05                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-10-17 18:06                                           ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-20 21:31                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-20 21:58                                       ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-20 22:00                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-20 22:12                                           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-20 23:16                                             ` David Schwartz
2004-10-21  1:03                                               ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21  1:38                                                 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-21  3:01                                           ` Michael Clark
2004-10-21  3:52                                             ` Michael Clark
2004-10-21  4:10                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21  5:06                                               ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21  5:11                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21  5:50                                                   ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21  5:58                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-21 15:18                                                       ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-21  6:14                                                     ` Michael Clark
2004-10-17 14:52                                   ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-16 18:25                               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-17  0:28                                 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-17 12:22                                   ` Andries Brouwer
2004-10-16 10:24                     ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-16 13:21                       ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-18 22:25                       ` Robert White
2004-10-06 20:41         ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 22:27           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-06 23:32             ` Neil Horman
2004-10-06 23:36             ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 19:31 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-07 22:36   ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-08  0:19     ` David Schwartz
2004-10-09 19:21       ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-09 18:28         ` David Schwartz
2004-10-09 18:49           ` Mark Mielke
2004-10-09 21:00             ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-09 22:59               ` Mark Mielke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-06 15:30 Dan Kegel
2004-10-07  4:50 Dan Kegel
2004-10-07  8:04 ` bert hubert
2004-10-07  8:28   ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 10:38     ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 10:07       ` Adam Heath
2004-10-07 11:29         ` Martijn Sipkema
2004-10-07 18:16 linux
2004-10-09 12:07 ` Colin Phipps
     [not found] <fa.haprsoi.8k8kbk@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.isqjio8.ok2coo@ifi.uio.no>
2004-10-09 13:24   ` Bodo Eggert
2004-10-19  1:21 John Pearson
2004-10-19 13:50 ` Colin Phipps

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