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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, Florian Schmidt <mista.tapas@gmx.net>,
	Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	mark_h_johnson@raytheon.com, Bill Huey <bhuey@lnxw.com>,
	Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org>,
	Michal Schmidt <xschmi00@stud.feec.vutbr.cz>,
	Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano <nando@ccrma.stanford.edu>,
	Karsten Wiese <annabellesgarden@yahoo.de>,
	jackit-devel <jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>, "K.R. Foley" <kr@cybsft.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.9-mm1-V0.4]
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:43:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041101184304.GA32009@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1099331723.3647.32.camel@krustophenia.net>


* Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com> wrote:

> This was my conclusion as well.  I have a patch sitting around to add
> this to the emu10k1 ALSA driver, it's quite useful.  It would be nice
> if there were a facility in the kernel to easily identify missed
> interrupts like this or (even better) unbalanced irq disable/enable -
> AFAICT userspace alone cannot reliably distinguish lost interrupts
> from scheduling problems (though you can get a lot of hints).  Paul
> mentioned trying to debug the unbalanced irq disable in his talk at
> ZKM 2003, and said it's hard because the hardware will enable/disable
> interrupts on its own and he could not identify all those places. 
> Ingo, is there an easy way to trace this like we do for unbalanced
> preempt count?

i wrote a cli/sti latency tracer a couple of years ago so it's possible.
Note that an irqs-off condition is near impossible to 'leak' into
userspace code though, since the x86 iret path restores flags to the
previous value. Worst-case the irqs-off condition may leak into
kernelspace, and that can still cause bad effects. X startup/shutdown
can disable interrupts for a long time, was that excluded from your
testing?

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-11-01 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1099008264.4199.4.camel@krustophenia.net>
2004-10-29  0:57 ` [Fwd: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.9-mm1-V0.4] Paul Davis
2004-10-29  2:10   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-29  8:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29  8:21     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-29  9:09       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 11:01         ` Paul Davis
2004-10-29 11:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 11:26             ` Paul Davis
2004-10-29 11:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 13:35                 ` Paul Davis
2004-10-29 13:55                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 14:03                     ` Paul Davis
2004-10-29 14:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 16:14             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 16:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 16:32               ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-29 16:23                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 16:31                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 16:37                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 16:53                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 17:16                     ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-29 17:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 17:09                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 17:16                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 17:33                           ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-29 17:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 17:22                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 18:36                                 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-29 20:33                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 20:51                                     ` Paul Davis
2004-10-29 21:11                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30  1:06                                         ` Paul Davis
2004-10-30 11:34                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-26 17:16                                         ` [Jackit-devel] " Jack O'Quin
2004-10-29 20:42                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 21:31                                     ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-29 21:25                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 21:42                                         ` Lee Revell
2004-10-29 21:46                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 21:53                                             ` Lee Revell
2004-10-29 23:12                                             ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 11:58                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30 17:49                                                 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 19:17                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30 19:43                                                     ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 19:47                                                     ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30 19:37                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30 19:57                                                         ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30 19:52                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 20:15                                                         ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30 20:26                                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 21:13                                                             ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30 21:26                                                               ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 21:38                                                                 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30 23:12                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-31 12:07                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-31 12:48                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-31 12:54                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-31 13:13                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-31 13:40                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-31 15:20                                                                             ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-31 15:59                                                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-31 19:06                                                                                 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-11-01 13:42                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 13:53                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 14:06                                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 15:47                                                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-01 17:55                                                                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-11-01 17:58                                                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-01 18:43                                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-11-01 18:46                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 22:30                                                                                             ` Florian Schmidt
2004-11-01 22:40                                                                                               ` Bill Huey
2004-11-01 22:51                                                                                                 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-11-01 22:59                                                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2004-11-02  8:02                                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-02  8:07                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-02 15:06                                                                                           ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.9-mm1-V0.6.8 Ingo Molnar
2004-11-02 17:52                                                                                             ` K.R. Foley
2004-11-02 19:37                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-02 19:40                                                                                                 ` K.R. Foley
2004-11-02 19:24                                                                                             ` Norberto Bensa
2004-11-02 19:35                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-02 23:09                                                                                             ` Karsten Wiese
2004-11-03  1:12                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-03 10:15                                                                                                 ` Karsten Wiese
2004-11-01 17:04                                                                                         ` [Fwd: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.9-mm1-V0.4] Rui Nuno Capela
2004-11-01 17:08                                                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-01 20:00                                                                                             ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-11-01 17:24                                                                                         ` K.R. Foley
2004-11-02  0:22                                                                                         ` Michal Schmidt
2004-11-01 13:54                                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2004-11-01 14:30                                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 19:30                                                                                         ` Paul Davis
2004-11-02  8:17                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 14:03                                                                                     ` Florian Schmidt
2004-11-01 14:12                                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 15:29                                                                                       ` K.R. Foley
2004-11-02 23:41                                                                                     ` [Fwd: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.9-mm1-V0.6] Remi Colinet
2004-11-03  1:04                                                                                       ` Remi Colinet
2004-11-01 11:55                                                                                 ` [Fwd: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.9-mm1-V0.4] Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 12:37                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 12:35                                                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-01 12:51                                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 13:15                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 13:40                                                                                           ` Florian Schmidt
2004-11-01 13:48                                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-01 16:47                                                                                   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-10-31 23:16                                                                             ` Michal Schmidt
2004-11-01  0:05                                                                             ` Magnus Määttä
2004-10-31 13:11                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-31 14:11                                                                       ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-31 13:22                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-31 14:28                                                                           ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-31 13:30                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-31 21:58                                                                     ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-10-31 22:11                                                                     ` K.R. Foley
2004-10-31  2:20                                                               ` Lee Revell
2004-10-31 10:00                                                                 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-31 12:09                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-31 12:19                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-31 12:35                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-31 12:39                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30 20:05                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 20:29                                                         ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30  0:15                                             ` Lee Revell
2004-10-29 22:31                                         ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-29 22:50                                           ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30 13:15                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30 17:53                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30  3:36                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30  3:48                                             ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 11:16                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30 17:44                                                 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30 11:28                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30 11:33                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-30 13:16                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-30  1:10                                         ` Lee Revell
2004-10-30  1:15                                         ` Lee Revell
2004-10-29  8:59     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29  9:29       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 13:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 14:19       ` Paul Davis
2004-10-29 14:27         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 14:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-29 14:38           ` Paul Davis
2004-10-29 19:33     ` Lee Revell
2004-10-29 19:35       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-01 14:32 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-11-01 14:36 ` Ingo Molnar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-11-01 16:34 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-11-01 18:48 ` Ingo Molnar

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