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From: Elladan <elladan@eskimo.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	hbryan@us.ibm.com, akpm@osdl.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pavel@ucw.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [Request for inclusion] Filesystem in Userspace
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:16:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041118201613.GA30308@eskimo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411181027070.2222@ppc970.osdl.org>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:31:27AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > 
> > Well, killing the fuse process _will_ make the system come back to
> > life, since then all the dirty pages belonging to the filesystem will
> > be discarded. 
> 
> They will? Why? They're still mapped into other processes, still dirty. 
> How do they go away?

If the filesystem a dirty page is mapped against ceases to exist,
wouldn't it make sense to destroy the page?  All such user processes can
receive SIGBUS and crash.  This is sort of a general problem with a
filesystem on a "removable" device like a USB stick, and it seems the
only sane solution is to blow all the mappings against that filesystem
away.

Of course, it sucks since the final result will be a crash, but mmap()
isn't a reliable interface for accessing media that might go away...

So, a reasonable solution would be to detect when a user fs process
dies, and initiate a forced unmount procedure where you walk all the
pages mapped against that filesystem and blow them away.  Similarly for
a case like pulling a USB reader out while it's being written to (you
could nag the user to reinsert, but that might be impossible).

This doesn't solve the deadlock as such except as a sort of
panic-recovery hack, but it seems sensible in general.

-J


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-11-18 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-15 21:15 [PATCH] [Request for inclusion] Filesystem in Userspace Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-15 21:43 ` Greg KH
2004-11-15 22:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-16  9:08   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16  9:18     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-16  9:40       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16  9:46         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-16  9:52           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:17             ` David Woodhouse
2004-11-16 10:25               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:13     ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 10:20       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:35         ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 10:42           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 12:19             ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 11:01           ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-11-16 11:20             ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 15:18               ` Ralph Corderoy
2004-11-16 12:31             ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 11:02         ` Jan Kratochvil
2004-11-16 14:01           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 16:33             ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 16:45               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 17:03                 ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 17:50                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 17:58                     ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:09                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:16                         ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:30                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:38                             ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:24                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 19:24                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 19:32                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:42                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-16 19:48                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 19:48                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 20:12                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 15:42               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 16:57                 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:10                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 17:33                     ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:38                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 17:58                         ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 18:09                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 19:58                             ` Mike Waychison
2004-11-17 18:53                           ` [PATCH] " Al Viro
2004-11-17 17:56                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:11                     ` Greg KH
2004-11-17 18:17                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:17                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:20                     ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:52                 ` Greg KH
2004-11-17 15:36             ` Alan Cox
2004-11-17 21:37               ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-17 19:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-17 19:45   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 20:44     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18  8:17       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 14:46         ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-21  7:42           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21  7:50             ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21  9:50             ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-21 10:31               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 10:39                 ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-21 11:29                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 11:53                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-21 12:01                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 18:13             ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-22 16:12               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 17:00         ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 17:14           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:49             ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 19:12               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19  7:01               ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-19  7:01                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-20 12:00             ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-18 17:12         ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 17:28           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 17:29               ` Alan Cox
2004-11-18 18:55                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:28                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19  9:46                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 20:57                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-24  6:20                     ` Daniel Phillips
2004-11-24 12:15                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-24 13:05                   ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                     ` <200411242001.59504.oliver@neukum.org>
2004-11-24 19:20                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  6:26                     ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-25  7:29                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  7:47                         ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-25  9:15                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  9:54                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-30 18:44                     ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 19:16                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 19:55                         ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 21:13                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 21:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 21:58                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 22:57                                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 23:19                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-12-15 17:55                                     ` Avi Kivity
2004-12-15 21:49                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-12-03 22:07                               ` Daniel Phillips
2004-12-15 17:45                                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-12-01  7:16                             ` Jan Hudec
2004-12-01 13:35                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 21:54                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 18:21               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 18:56                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 19:16                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:33                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 19:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 20:05                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 20:13                       ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-18 21:06                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-18 21:33                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19 11:27                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-27 17:07                         ` Rik van Riel
2004-11-27 17:13                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-03 22:07                           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-11-18 20:16                   ` Elladan [this message]
2004-11-18 18:28               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-11-18 18:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:12             ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 19:51               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 22:00                 ` Jan Hudec

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